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Madeline McCann's mother to be an official suspect

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posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 10:03 AM
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As probabley everyone knows now, that for two people to have the same DNA, its practicaly impossible.

In fact as i understand it, there are only 7 pairs of twins in europe with matching DNA, the last pair being born only a fews days ago.

So, in answer to DJOHNSO77´s theory, the chance that the hair found in the car is that of anyone else but the girl, when they have found 13 of a possible 16 genetic matches in the DNA, , is really, well, impossible.

And if the mother had no contact with the girl after her death, where did the decomposed matter come from found on her clothes?

And the waiter overhearing her say on her return to the table "THEY¨VE TAKEN HER" ? To whom was she refering?

With the two being doctors, they probabley had the body hidden in a place where they know full well that the decomposition of the body will be quick and total, like in the sea where tide and fish will take their toll, leaving little genetic evidence to work on, if at all they find the body that is.

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posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 10:19 AM
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I just saw on Fox, yes i do watch Fox, (sue me) they're reporting that the police have turned over several boxes of evidence to the DA, including the fact that there have been several positive DNA matches in the rental car.
Seems that arrest is imminent


[edit on 9/11/2007 by Kr0n0s]



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by andy1972

So, in answer to DJOHNSO77´s theory, the chance that the hair found in the car is that of anyone else but the girl, when they have found 13 of a possible 16 genetic matches in the DNA, , is really, well, impossible.





Forensic investigator Professor David Barclay, who specialises in cold cases, said if blood had been found in the couple's hire car it could conceivably have been from their twins.
He told BBC East Midlands Today that siblings can share as many as 15 out of 20 DNA indicators.


bbc.co.uk

So depending on the source of the DNA it could be hard to link it to Madeline herself. I don't think anything positive will come from the car.

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posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by quber

So depending on the source of the DNA it could be hard to link it to Madeline herself. I don't think anything positive will come from the car.

[edit on 11-9-2007 by quber]


It depend on whether the police have a partial match or a full match, it is true that relatives have a similar dna profile to yourself but there are differences, whilst a partial dna match may not prove to be 100% reliable a full dna match should be able to be matched 100% to either the victim or a relative



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 10:40 AM
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If Sky News sources are reliable then it probably already has done.


One full DNA match has been found in the hire car - it is 99.9% certain that it comes from Madeleine.

Sky News

It is being reported elsewhere by Sky that:


Police searching the car also found so much of Madeleine's hair that it could not have been transferred from a blanket or clothes.

It must have come directly from her body, sources said.

Sky News

Inevitably, this is still based on unofficial leaks, briefings or whatever else you want to call them but a powerful picture is beginning to build up that the original story just does not hold water.

What the real story may be is almost anybody's guess at the moment.



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 10:47 AM
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Just to add to my doubts...

How do they know that they have a known good DNA sample from Madeline?

It seems unlikely to me that there would already be a DNA profile of her on record from before the abduction.

Anything collected from the scene or even her home could have been contaminated by her relatives.

(Sorry if this was already answered)



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 10:52 AM
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DNA sample was taken and stored in database at birth, just like every citizen born in the US and England.

Or possibly from a hairbrush, on her little cuddle bear toy, in her bed in the hotel etc...
Ive always asked myself this ?... How in the hell did they obtain a sample of some of these terrorists DNA BEFORE we blow them to hell..


[edit on 9/11/2007 by Kr0n0s]



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 11:00 AM
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How do they know anyones who they are by DNA..I suppose it was the same in the aftermath of 9/11, they bodies destroyed beyond recognition by normal means, or parts of bodies found where identified by collecting DNA samples from relatives, in this case, if the girl had a bottle, or comforter she used with frequency or anything she put in her mouth, an item only she used like every other child, the can get a DNA sample from that, coupling it with what they found in the car..and why is evryone so shy to talk about the dead mater samples found on the mothers clothes??

This clearly proves that the bitch had contact with the / a body after she / it had died.

What sayeth you DJ, your an intelligent man..ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE.



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 11:11 AM
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The only DNA I would expect to find underneath a spare wheel, underneath the cover in the boot would be that of a person who has changed a wheel. I wouldn't expect it to be of a child, be it a 4 year old or a 2 year old.

If it was of an adult I would expect that adult to have had a reason to have changed the wheel or at the very least to have rummaged around in there. I think most of us would be able to answer the question "have you rummaged around under the spare wheel recently ?"

If there is DNA material out of the way underneath the cover and it was there legitimately by transference, wouldn't you expect a huge pile of material to be in the more accessible parts of the car - the boot itself or the seats for example ? Does this line of thought explain why the police are so excited about the traces, even though they are small ?

These are my thoughts but I'm no scientist so take them with a pinch of salt, like almost any of the reports at the moment about what exactly the evidence is.



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 11:11 AM
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I haven't seen a definitive answer to this question either but I understand that reference samples are typically obtained from personal items such as hairbrush, tooth brush etc. They will also have the other family members' samples for elimination purposes.

Multiple sources for reference samples should ensure that there is no confusion or doubt that the sample is correct.

edit to add:

Interesting publication here on this subject


[edit on 11-9-2007 by timeless test]



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by andy1972
identified by collecting DNA samples from relatives, in this case, if the girl had a bottle, or comforter she used with frequency or anything she put in her mouth, an item only she used like every other child, the can get a DNA sample from that


In this circumstance where the family is suspected, I doubt any of these would be persuasive enough for a conviction.



This clearly proves that the bitch had contact with the / a body after she / it had died.


Hmm, I'm not really sure what you're talking about here.



What sayeth you DJ, your an intelligent man..ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE.


Yes, Donald Rumsfeld, that is true. I don't know how Portuguese courts work, but in the U.S. the burden of proof is on the prosecutor, not the defendant.



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 12:15 PM
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Portuguese prosecutors are to hand to a judge the files on missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann.


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the judge is suposed to have 10 day's to make a decision over the files but the fact that the prosecutors have handed over the files so quickly must surely point to them haveing some strong evidence? if they didn't then i would have thought that charges would have been dropped?



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 12:43 PM
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DJOHSON77, there saying here on the tv in spain that the sniffer dogs brought in found decomposed human matter on the mothers clothes which prove that the mother had contact with a human being AFTER ITS DEATH.

Nobodys mentioning it here at ATS...im suprised.

Its really incriminating, and then they get ready a high powered lawyer that defends ex presidents and mass murders..if you´re innocent..WHY, dont they have faith in the system, or are their feet starting to burn a little...or a lot !!



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 02:38 PM
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The sniffer dogs are specifically trained to locate dead bodies from the smell of chemical reactions associated with decomposition and they are reported, unofficially, to have responded to both Kate McCann and the car. However, it has been said that they can also respond to other scents. Kate McCann said that as a doctor she had dealt with six corpses in the period leading up to the holiday.

Six bodies in such a short space of time sounds like a lot for a GP, (unless your name's Shipman), but this should be easy to confirm at home anyway - but the car?



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 02:59 PM
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The portugese police say now that its not 100% certain of the car and are likely to be asking the rental company for the list of people that hired it over a period of 25 days..??

But they do say that the amount of hair and fluid could only come from the body if its been directly in contact..

As a GP shes dealt with 6 dead bodies in so short a time, maybe they ought to be taking a closer look at her...maybe she been topping patients over a period of time aswell.



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 04:29 PM
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Prosecutors are asking the Judge to make an emergency decision on some evidence,

Its said that they want to see or look at some object,
Not sure if this is something the McCann's have or something else, but a breaking story none the less,

More will follow im sure,



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 04:52 PM
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This story is incredibly sad. She is a beautiful babe. I, like the others who have posted here, simply cannot fathom the depth one must sink to in order to actually harm your own child. I just cannot understand that.

I agree that it's all a bit too strange for me - the actions and their notoriety. I would not be coherent nor functioning properly if something as terrible and horrible as this happened to my children.

Meeting The Pope was a weird thing to have happen. How many other parents who have lost their babes would have loved to have that chance to meet The Pope in order to garner interest in their lost babe? Every single one of them.

I had not heard of the decomposition that was found on the mother's clothing until I read the posts pertaining to Madeline. I did hear of the trace elements of blood found in the rental - strange that after 25 days, that was still in the vehicle. Here in the States, after you turn in a rented vehicle, the vehicle is cleaned from top to bottom for the next customer. That means shampooing the floor mats, vacuuming the vehicle and disposing of any trash (i.e. paper, etc) left in the vehicle. The vehicle is then washed outside as well. Maybe they don't do that in other parts of the world. To learn (through ATS) that they have found a rather large amount of hair from Madeline, or reported to be from her, just breaks my heart. Should the McCann's have the uncanny luck to receive the exact same vehicle as the perpetrator - seems fictional at best. The perpetrator would have tried to get rid of any evidence, including a large amount of hair.

Cultures are different all over the world, however, I cannot justify leaving your children unattended for any length of time no matter where you are from - especially at that age. They are very lucky that all of their children didn't wind up missing. Something else to consider when discussing this issue. Why was Madeline the only one taken? They did suspect a pedophile in the abduction, however, wouldn't it have been easier to take all 3 children? In the space of '30 minute checks', all 3 of those babes could have been abducted.

I am finding it more and more difficult to not think that perhaps the parents had something to do with Madeline's disappearance. No one wants to think that thought. Sadly, this type of thing does happen - much more than we all like to hear or read about.

I hope, perhaps foolishly, that Madeline is alive and being held somewhere. Right now, it doesn't look as if that is the case.



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 05:01 PM
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Another turn of the screw....now they say that the father Gerry isnt the father of maddie, as the other two kids are from fertility treatment...and with that they say that the social services are about to take the remaining two kids away from them.....


With this they could be trying give a spin to the DNA part of the storey..add more confusion to the already confusing history...



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 05:23 PM
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Portuguese police have asked for an emergency warrant to seize an as yet, unnamed item from them.



posted on Sep, 11 2007 @ 05:32 PM
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i said to my mum ages back that I think that toy she always carries with has somthing to do with her death and as you said the poilce have or are wanting an un named item ....I still think her own parents killed her.



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