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Topic started on 6-9-2007 @ 11:04 PM by pavil

Dems already discount war report


washingtontimes.com
Congressional Democrats are trying to undermine U.S. Army Gen. David H. Petraeus' credibility before he delivers a report on the Iraq war next week, saying the general is a mouthpiece for President Bush and his findings can't be trusted.
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reply posted on 7-9-2007 @ 08:27 AM by pavil
reply to post by semperfortis



I agree the Democrats are falling into the same old rountine. They would rather be "against" something that "for" their own platform. Time and time again has show the American Public doesn't want a "negative" President. They want a President optimistic and Positive.

One of my favorite things to ask Democratic leaning people is: What is the Democratic Party for? They say things like, getting us out of Iraq. I then say, "ok,how and what happens after that, to Iraq and our other friends in the Region?" Then I get the long pause of silence from them. That is the Democrats problem, they point out problems but not solutions. Anyone can find the things wrong, few know how to fix them.


reply posted on 7-9-2007 @ 02:37 PM by gallopinghordes
reply to post by semperfortis



Amen to that. I know what the issues and problems are; what I want to hear from candidates are their ideas for solutions. I'm tired unto death of hearing we need to get out of Iraq; well okay what then? Never an answer

Or we need to do something about welfare. Well yes we do, what are your ideas? Never an answer. It goes on and on. I'm tired of politicians playing the "blame game" quit blaming the other guy and tell me what you think should be done.

Frankly I despair of ever hearing honesty during an election or after from one of our fine politicians.


reply posted on 8-9-2007 @ 01:03 PM by pavil
Good points by all.

I think Petraus has got a strategy that, if implemented fully, stands the best chance of sucess of any I have heard. He seems to be one of those Generals that see things on all the levels of the battlefield; tactical, political, and Strategic. Where was he earlier?

The biggest threat out there is that their are really two insurgent camps still. There used to be three but the Iraqi Sunnis seem to have co-opted out of the insurgency for the most part. The Al Qaeda branch is being hit hard by the surge, forced to run and hide. The Shia branch backed by Iran has just decided to lay low till the surge runs it's course. That will be the true test, curtailing the Shia militia's while bringing the Sunni's into the political fold. There is a window for a relatively bloodless success as opposed to the Rwanda style "payback" that will go on if reconciliation fails between the Shia and Sunni's of Iraq.

Quite honestly, Biden's proposal on Iraq has some good points in it. Not that it will fly with the Shia's. But even that entails a fairly strong US military presence in Iraq to be achievable.

I notice that many of the "get the US out quick" camp don't seem to mind that we will basically be walking away from a potentially and likely bloody genocide on both sides in Iraq. That part always shocks me. First they say look at all the death and destruction the U.S. presence brings and then they are willing to turn a blind eye to the likely probability that even greater carnage will happen if we leave prematurely. Some kinda disconnect going on there I guess. As long as US soldiers aren't there, it's ok I guess, for a genocide to occur. Weird IMO.



Just Imagine if a Presidential candidate spoke the truth. I do like some of Mcain's comments sometimes, at least he has convictions, Liberman too. I might not agree with them but at least those two seem to believe what they say, rather than say what others seem to believe.
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