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reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 02:29 PM by Hal9000
reply to post by UM_Gazz


You may be right about the US trying to scare Iran, but I don't think Ahmadinejad is playing along. I think he wants the US to strike so he can bomb Israel or something like that. I think he believes an attack will rally the entire country behind him and he will be more powerful and leave a mark in history.

If he is actually trying to avoid a war, he needs to learn a thing or two. Same goes with our own POTUS.


reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 02:38 PM by Theresmoretoit
reply to post by Rockpuck



Interesting observation about the helicopters. I live in Bangor Maine near the international airport/air force base. In the last 2 weeks, besides the regular Apache helicopter training flights around the area, some new Bell Oh-58 Kiowa's armed with an automated, forward mounted M296 .50 caliber machine gun has been patroling a 3 mile raduis around the base every 90-120 minutes(24 hours per day- I can hear it overhead at night). What's up with these? Bangor is the major air refueling wing for the east coast and new england, but what is going on with these new patrols- what are they worried about?


reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 03:01 PM by neformore
Originally posted by surrender_dorothy
So what dots have you connected together? What is, in your opinion, going on behind the scenes?


Well I'll chip in my 2 penneth if you are interested.

Russia is in an interesting position right now. Its seen its Warsaw Pact influences get chucked out the window, watched Pakistan and India develop into nuclear powers, and seen its regional influence in the Middle East get all shot to hell by the cowboy in the Whitehouse. Putin is concerned that any day soon there may be some smoking holes in the desert where a few Iranian nuclear facilities used to be, which will destabilise his countries position more. The Russian bear is grumbling and has sent a few of its toys out to play in the North Atlantic to remind everyone that, despite its quiet period during the reforms, it still has teeth and wants a say in the shape of the world.

Israel is desperate to get rid of any idea of Iranian nuclear weapons because its position as regional superpower will go out of the window. Its looking for any excuse it can to have a go at someone so the dots can be joined back to Iran, be it provoking the Syrians with overflights or dragging out evidence of Iranian rockets being used by Hammas.

The US, in its part, is torn, because the majority of people don't seem to want another war or military action against Iran following the folly of Iraq, and yet the Bush Administration clearly seems to have some kind of plan to try and confront Iran regardless of public opinion. It also sees a need to prop up the Israeli position, because Israel provides the US with the excuse to project power in the region.

The UK has had its fingers burned. Politically, another Labour Prime Minister supporting the US wholeheartedly like Blair did with Iraq will see the Labour Party more than likely dropped by the voting public in an election and consigned to the political wilderness like it was during the Thatcher and Major Years. At the same time, Britain wants to remain the voice of sanity and the bridge between the US and Europe. If the US attacks Iran, don't expect British assets other than tankers and airfields to be invoved.

Iran is mostly playing a watching brief. It knows that, if push comes to shove it really can't prevent itself from going the same way as Iraq (although it will give the US a far bloodier nose than Iraq did I suspect). When it boils down to it, the religious leaders (who declared a fatwah on the production of nuclear weapons in Iran btw) will, if need be, intervene, install a placid Prime Minister, sue for peace and protect their own interests providing that Israel doesn't do anything stupid to incite a religious war.

All in all it makes for a can of worms that can only be resolved by alot of talking, negotiating and thinking. That or several thousand deaths. I know which I'd prefer and its not in racks in bomb bay of a B-52.


reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 04:10 PM by tyranny22
Originally posted by TruthWithin
but I reiterate that something BIG is missing.


I agree. I think the "something BIG" will be some sort of attack to spark the masses support for The Showdown with Iran. Which will draw in numerous other countries: Russia, China, Israel, Pakinstan, America, England, Austrailia, India, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and others will be sucked into the vaccumm of conflict in the Middle East.

Just as WWI was sparked by Austria-Hungary declaring war on Serbia, WWII was sparked by German invasion of Poland, I believe the Third World War's fuse was probably lit by the U.S. invasion of Iraq. The events leading up to all three involved much political unrest and sabre rattling.

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post by Hal9000



I find the Thunderdome idea a great one of sorts that I think the entire world would agree with.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
He said he has been noticing alot of helicopter activity, black hawkes to be exact..


I, too, have noticed an increased amount of military movements. And what I find more than odd is I seen alot of troop transports and excavation equipment being hauled around. I find this odd because if were we to engage Iran, I would think it'd mainly be an air war, given Iran's defenses and counter-strike ability. A ground war would be a ridiculous blunder on anyone's part. I think any strike would be distasterous, but any sort of ground forces on Iranian soil would be a folly a nation would never forget.


reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 05:37 PM by Zenagain
reply to post by Gools




I think basically what we are seeing is a resumption of the cold war. As I understand, Putin has rolled back a lot of the freedoms givin the Russian people
and has started up the good old cold war sabre rattling, but if it brings back the days before all of this insane asymetric warfare, I'm not sure it's so bad an idea.
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