Russian Leader Calls For Urgent Delivery Of Anti-aircraft Missile Systems To Iran, page 2
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reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 01:28 AM by BitRaiser
reply to post by UM_Gazz


Do you really think that blowing Iran to hell before Russia's missiles get there would annoy Russia any less than after they arrived?

Seems to me that if Russia is going to get tweeked off by an attack on an ally, it really won't matter to them if their missiles are in place or not.

Well, it might annoy them more, since Iran would likely cancel the missile deal and Russia would lose the sale.
Nothing tweeks a nation off like losing a sale.



reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 06:18 AM by Ram


S-400 Triumf - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There seems to be an S-500 version - so maybe russia is selling out the S-400's.
I dunno anything about these things either.
-
I wonder if those things have Toilets and bathroom in them though
Or sleeping cabins..
Maybe it's capable of housing a family... You know all funds goes to military...
Do they come in pink? Does it have a kitchen? microwave oven and stuff.
WOULD BE SO COOL...


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Stupid planet!!

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reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 08:22 AM by Brad.T
RAF Intercepts Eight Russian Bombers

news.sky.com
RAF Tornados intercepted eight Russian bombers as they approached UK airspace. The Bear Tupolev-95 planes - which can carry nuclear and Cruise missiles - were detected by Nato early this morning.

Ministry of Defence officials said four F3 fighters were scrambled from RAF Leeming in Yorkshire and RAF Waddington in Lincolnshire.

(visit the link for the full news article)


reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 10:42 AM by Astyanax
Zhirinovsky!

Didn't know the old rabblerouser was still operating. President of the Duma, yet.

Doesn't mean he has any power. The Duma is just a rubberstamp for Putin. Real power in Russia lies with the president and the FSB, the successor to the KGB, Cheka, etc.

A
leader article in last week's Economist talks about this. There is a much longer article on the subject further inside the issue.

What Zhirinovsky says doesn't matter, unless Putin has told him to say it. Then it matters a lot.

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reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 10:55 AM by WestPoint23
reply to post by runetang



Iran has no SA-21 SAM systems, neither does Syria. Furthermore there is no credible proof or evidence to suggest that Iran has any operational SA-20 SAM systems. What is does have are old US Hawk and 'improved' Hawk systems in combination with Soviet SA-6, local SA-5 and Chinese SA-2 systems. Iran also possesses several point defense missiles systems, the most capable of these are the SA-15's it purchased from Russia recently.

However Iran's air defenses are not numerous enough, highly integrated, complimentary or supported by a highly capable air force to deny the USAF air superiority. Our VLO, EW, ECM, SEAD, DEAD and smart munition (cruise missiles included) assets would quickly overwhelm Iran's air defenses. Some casualties are possible but nothing we can't absorb or accept...

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reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 11:29 AM by lee anoma
Originally posted by Ecidemon
...everyone was afraid Ahmadinajad(sp) was going to launch some kind of attack...


Ahmadinejad is NOT going to launch some kind of attack.

If it's claimed that Iran has struck first you can be sure it is a set-up. I can't believe some of you are buying into all the propaganda and hype to yet ANOTHER war. Iraq is going that well that we need to try again?

Listen, I keep seeing these sort of threads where someone mentions Irans military, current weapons, or soon to be purchased weapons, then come the inveitable responses:

"We'll annihilate them." "They'll be a smoking crater." "Iran with be destroyed in seconds." "We'll blow them to dust."

Most of you have severely underestimated President Ahmadinejad's intelligence, if you actually think you know something more about the current conflict, Iranian military preparedness and potential wars in regards to the middle-east and the players therein. The media has done well in painting him as a cross-eyed ninny it seems.

In 1976, (Ahmadinejad) took Iran's national university entrance exams (konkoor) to gain admission into Iran's top universities. His test score ranked him 132nd among over 400,000 participants that year, landing him at the Iran University of Science and Technology (IUST) as an undergraduate student of civil engineering.

After the Iranian Revolution, he entered the Master of Science program for civil engineering in 1984. In 1989, he became a member of the Science faculty at the university where he had studied. In 1997, he received his Ph.D. in transportation engineering and planning from the Science and Technology University.
Wiki


Does he sound like a blathering idiot to you? Do you honestly think he cannot comprehend the limitations of his own country? I don't even think many of those gloating even have equivalent credentials.

Let me state it again, because some of you love to hear it... If Iran is ever attacked by the United States and/or Israel...and no one intervenes...Iran can potentially be destroyed. It does not stand a chance. This is obvious to anyone with half a brain.

Guess what though folks? That doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. It doesn't make me want to fluff up my pillow and sleep soundly with a huge smile. I take no pleasure in the possible destruction of a country that has not harmed me, has not concretely expressed any intent to harm me, has not invaded another country to force it's own agenda on it's citizens, and...as you all love to point out...cannot adequately defend itself.

Iran is trying it's best to appear "defensively" strong to it's citizens who by now are probably in a stressful panic over what could be the imminent loss of their families and friends. What else would you have a country that is facing an approaching battle against two powerful forces tell it's people?

Of course it's all posturing. It's all to let the people know that Iran will defend itself. "Defend"...thats the key word there.

This whole thing is beyond sad in my mind...but keep gloating if it makes you feel better. The fact remains that If we attack Iran, their military will be the least of our problems. This whole endeavor to destroy Iran I fear will result in a world war that will devastate the United States and it's already shaky economy. This would essentially be the jump start to apocalypse.

Most of you are not looking at the bigger picture because you can't see over the huge gun barrel America has in its hand.

History has shown that great empires fall.
Often it's on the sword of it's own hubris.


reply posted on 6-9-2007 @ 01:21 PM by downtown436
Iran already has the TOR-M1 AA systems in place. These are no joke, they are designed to shoot down cruise missiles at low altitude. They also work for aircraft.

Here are some cold war style stuff that has been happening.
B-52 loaded with nukes. Bear Tu-95's flying to edges of Alaskan, and U.K. airspace. Russia arming it's allies, US arming it's allies. Russia positioning it's self in the Artic, US responding in kind. Russia says nyet on the U.S. missile shield.

Here is the wrench in the works. China is now very powerful, both economically and militarily. They have positioned themselves in South America. Also Russia is helping to arm Venezuela.

The tension is very tight.

What will Russia do if we Nuke Iran?
What will China do?
What will the Middle-East do?

Unfortunately I think we will have answers to these horrifying questions sooner than we would like.

A good policy for self preservation at times like these is: If a nuke goes off in anger in any country on Earth, leave civilization for at least 2 weeks. Go to a place that is not in a fallout zone of any major city and or military installation.

I don't know what Russia will do if we Nuke Iran. Or even if we conventional weapon it. But If we do nuke them(dial a yield bunker busters with a 1-20 kt yield) I can imagine the worst case scenario. Worst case, global thermonuclear war. Best case Russia and China do nothing. There are a staggering amount of other options that could also occur.

I really hope our neocon faction that is running things doesn't stab another fire ant mound, just to find that it is really 5 huge connected antbeds.
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