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Rahul Buttar wrote
There is no way to guarantee that such a system would not be abused. And given human nature, it is almost a sure thing that it would. The ones running your government are not holy men, they are human beings equally as fallible as you and I. Since the beginning of history power has corrupted men who seek it. One only has to look at the past century to see the danger in conceding our freedoms to our rulers. Less than seventy years ago the world was overshadowed by the growing threat of totalitarianism. Germany adopted a fascist political system and attempted to conquer and subjugate the rest of the globe. In Russia the same thing happened only they called it by a different name.
And the same justification was used then as it is now (security). It seems we still haven't learned from history.
Originally posted by kindred
Chorlton I dont understand why your getting so hot under the collar. Rauhl is stating facts written up in our history books. Have you read about the rise of fascism in Germany?
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Not only that but also
He said the only option was to expand the database to cover the whole population and all those who visit the UK.
I already despised UK for his police state mesures, now it's sure, I won't go anywhere near the NWO HQ. No wonder why a lot of british are leaving... And stutmason, I guess you will say that it's not a police state mesure right?
Originally posted by citizen smith
Similarly, if a foriegn national waives the request, they will only able to obtain a limited visa barring all access to any UK public facilities for the duration of the stay
The most important of all is the concept of habeas corpus enshrined in the Magna Carta - that we are all entitled to a fair trial and that we are innocent until proved guilty in a court of law. Judge Smedley's DNA database turns this on its head, for it treats every citizen of this country with the presumption of guilt.
We have evolved in this country a belief that the British - cussed, stand- offish and awkward - should nurture their freedom and do not need a nanny state to interfere in every bit of their business.
Throughout the 20th century, there were other states in the world - Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, Hitler's Germany - which thought it was all right to treat their citizens like slaves and automatons.
Britain was different. I was going to write that it still is different, but these two bleak little stories make me wonder.
It is surely fundamental to any law of liberty that if we have not done anything wrong, we should not be compelled to reveal our identity, to offer samples of blood, urine or DNA to the authorities merely because they want it.
Originally posted by Rahul Buttar
Without an armed and free citizenry a democracy is just a few scraps of paper. There is nothing to stop your government from enslaving you. You have knives and rocks with which to fight soldiers wielding rifles. What could you do if they came to take you away right now? Run? There are cameras on every street corner. They would soon find you.
Wasn't the British army the best in the world when a "band of armed civilians" overthrew England's rule and founded The United States of America?