Isnt this where Mcveigh was held?

If so it don't suprise me in the slightest.

There are a lot of high-profile prisoners there...

That doesn't explain the media blackout, does it?

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
There are a lot of high-profile prisoners there...

That doesn't explain the media blackout, does it?

What exactly do you want to know about these prisoners?

Should there be a weekly media report on the conditions at this prison?

I must be missing the point of your post.

Explain it to me please.

JacKatMtn
Well, the notion that this prison has been closed to the media since 2002 is pretty remarkable, since it's never happened before (to my knowledge), and nobody has made much fuss about it while it was happening.

Do the math, if there have indeed been 100 requests since 2002, that's not much media interest, and it's certainly not weekly.



I wonder if this trend exists elsewhere, at other federal facilities? We have programs like FOIA just for this reason. Beware a government that seeks to conceal

As to what I want to know about the prisoners?! I'm not a reporter doing a story that involves one of these guys, I'm not a journalist seeking to expose prison brutality, or improper use of funds, or any other aspect of prison management, personally I don't need to know anything about one particular prisoner or another, that's not the point. The point is that the media is the entity that's supposed to keep we the people appraised of what the government is doing, amongst their other duties.

The media can't very well do their job if prisons start denying all interview requests.

Now do you understand my point? If reporters have no access, then citizens have no access. I, for one, don't want to live in a country where citizens have no sight into their corrections system, and no say in how it will be run.

kosmicjack
I considered that, it's certainly possible - sort of a domestic Abu Ghraib.

Another possibility, a lot less likely, is that the facility is being used to house secret prisoners, people that the outside world isn't supposed to know about, for one reason or another.

The prison administrators and the people giving them cues from Washington should have known, this is how conspiracy theories get started.

Another example of poor accountability.

You can argue what level of independent access is appropriate all day long, but it's hard to justify NO access.

I think we are finally being crushed by the shear weight of our bureaucratic institutions. They are so unwieldy...so unrestrained in power...so incapable of accountability...they jeopardize the very future of our free Republic.

No NWO necessary... the danger comes from within.

It appears we have lost the art of governance...if we indeed ever had it at all to begin with.









[edit on 5-9-2007 by loam]

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Greta Van Sustern toured the place not long ago, I remember seeing it on "On the Record," although she didn't interview any prisoners.

Then the article is wrong?

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Anyway, I don't really see the problem with this, people don't have a constitutional right to see a reporter while in prison.

I agree.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
They do have a right to see their lawyers and I'm sure all the ACLU lawyers working to free these people would be screaming bloody murder if there was anything nefarious going on there.

This is not always so clear. It's not like we haven't had enough examples in our country where lawyers complained of poor access to their clients.

I'm not as willing to 'trust' as you are.

I always liked Ronald Reagan's "trust, but verify" policy during the cold war. In fact, I think it's a rather brilliant philosophy when applied to life in general.

[edit on 5-9-2007 by loam]

Originally posted by loam

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Greta Van Sustern toured the place not long ago, I remember seeing it on "On the Record," although she didn't interview any prisoners.

Then the article is wrong?

Well I think she did, I can't seem to find any proof though on the web. It's possible I'm mistaken.

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Does a prisoner have access to a lawyer even if they've exhausted their appeals?

I imagine at some point a public defender would no longer be involved, thinking that everything has been exhausted, but, as long as they can pay for one or find one willing to represent them for free, they can continue to meet with one.

The prison has been toured a few times that I know of in recent years. Either FOX or CNN toured the prison when they were doing a show about staffing trouble in the Federal Bureau of Prisons and how they dident have enough guards at their prisons and security was suffering.

Oh and for what its worth; Timmy McVeigh was held at the Federal Penitentiary in Terre Haute, IN. They have 4 kinds of prisons in the federal system:

- United States Prisons (ex. ADX Florence, Alcatraz, Fort Leavenworth, McNeil Island, etc)
- Federal Correctional Centers
- Federal Detention Centers
+
the Federal Medical Center for Prisoners in Springfield, MO.

I e-mailed the On the Record show at FOX and asked if they had ever had access to that prison for a story.

With any luck I'll get a response.