Exactly and that is what annoys me about our goverments and leaders. They are so self important that they will save themselves their families and whoever else they please. Funny thing is we are paying for the whole bloody lot with out taxes. I mean if something like this did ever happen who gives them the right to decide "Hmm lets use their money to build us some shelters, Dont tell them about it and when the time comes we will pick a few to come with us".

I dont know if believe the Planet X story just yet but i promise if it was true id be straight into survival mode back to my Military days.

Unless of course i get picked to go into a shelter and in that case forget all i said above

Yeah, that is what is also written in the book. The government shelter are not a 100% guarantee for survival. Indeed prepared individuals or groups may even have a higher chance in some cases. I do not know, but if this Planet X thing is for real... the upcoming years will be quite "interesting".

How can this "planet x" cause harm to us when it is not even here yet? If it is a few billion miles out, then there is no way it could've caused Katrina or those major natural disasters. Furthermore, where is the evidence from NASA or other space agencies that "planet x" exists?

I cant find the thread on ATS which dark4night was warning of some coming catastrophe from outer space by 2012.

Maybe this is what he was warning about before he and his family and friends fled for the hills.

Okay so what else could be making Uranus and Jupiter's orbit very irregular?
It has to be a source that we can't really see yet, maybe we can but agencies do not want us to find out because it would cause massive chaos and panic.

If NASA were to come on now and tell us that the world will end in 4 years, what would you do? I would build a shelter, buy food, supplies and water enough for 3 years. Then I would get a visa, master card, spend all the money on supplies and go live somewhere very far from everyone with my family and whoever else contributes.

You see what I mean? Why spread out panic and chaos when you can keep it hush hush until the time comes. They are building a massive South Pole Telescope to keep track of this, and when this is built you will see it will not be exploring in the outer space, nor will anyone know about it.

There is NASA proof of the thing. I hate calling it a planet, since they're all referring to it as a brown dwarf star, otherwise a SECOND SUN.... there was a thread not that long ago about a site someone found w/ an .mil extension, there were article briefs about this, a moonbase, etc. It was within a month ago.

I disagee w/ an earlier posting about how could it cause Katrina, it's about 8 times the mass of earth in a different, 3600 year orbit, it's probably causing these weather storms already. The Mayans were worried about 2012, when their calendar ends, already this year the two hurricanes have hit the remnants of their civilization.

Whereas I agree w/ the postings about why would the govt want to help all people, when most of the losers in govt are about depopulation, they're prob looking forward to this.

There was a video link for a bunch of posters within the same area, I watched the videos on Youtube.com, there the posters had things like "2006-2012 Nibiru approaches.... a wormhole in the Giza Pyramid, underground cities beneath Alaska...." I imagine members of the govt and the "chosen people" will survive since they've had time to dig cities (!) let alone be able to use wormholes to travel in time!

What perturbs me is that "Planet X" or "Planet XII" has been going on for the last 30 some years? It does not exist. Other Observatories have not found any Planet X and yes, they have looked, only the French think they found something like the French seem to do, except if you look around at other real scientists -- it does not exist, it can not be found, and believe me, they have the means and now the digital imaging to get rid of the Atmosphere in images of the Heavens.

Chem trails have already been explained -- it is for Global Warming only on the East And West Coast of the USA because planes are flying releasing some chemicals that inhibit the Earth Warming and that is what Chem Trails are -- by flights that have been sort of secret and by other people finding out what is really going on -- discussed at least two years ago - because of Global Warming to help cool Planet Earth. In fact, a few years back, NASA had some scientists saying to use N-weapons to move the Earth out a little in its Orbit - which would also make this Planet last longer and cool it off.

No Observatory has ever found Planet X and if anything is moving in the sky it is by two pictures taken apart while the Earth moves in its Orbit like the Outer Planets were found -- blink comparison two pictures to see if anything moved. The Outer Planets are not perturbed, and scientists agree that their calculations are correct and that all of this is just fear mongering and nothing else but disinfo.

If anything the Government is here to protect you people and since they also are not sure -- do things -- so I guess other people assume more.

I do not have the links anymore, but I know one Observatory was in British Columbia, Canada and the only ones who think they ever found anything but when everybody else looked found nothing -- again was the French.

Since, it is thought by over 600 Planetariums world-wide with most in the USA, that Jesus Christ (if conceived was born around Dec. 25, 4BC. in which the Vatican goes by) and if by birth was born around Sept. 11, 3BC it is already the year 2010-2011, take your pick.

There is no kind of disinfo going to be used to cause panic and mayhem in this World, and think that others are not listening and watching and finding out really what is going on.

Real people with real credentials stating real things along with others to verify their findings. I just suggest that some people actually do more research into things to really find out what is going on instead of thinking that some people especially like NASA are stating anything except that they have not found any such occurance going to take place. Afterall, I been following this stuff for the last 30 years, and it is just that -- a story -- a theory -- a tale in the end.

In fact it is discussed so much, that way more other people have actually done something to really find out what is going on.

I don't have the links anymore, but more people seem to be laughing at this gloom and doom then any of the so-called doom and gloomers would care to imagine.

You know, there are far too many people worrying about dying, that they forget how to really live.

Face it people, EVERYONE dies at some point. We may see this "destroyer" sun in out liftimes, and it may very well destroy Earth..what can you do about it? NOTHING.
All of this fallout shelter talk, is garbage. No falout shelter, or ducttape over the windows kinda preparedness is going to save you if the whole is destroyed.

Worry about terrorist attacks, and attacks on our soil, things you can ACTUALLY save yourself from, because when the end times come, noone is going to live.

Besides, don't be TOO serious, noone gets outta this world alive anyways.

If this "brown dwarf" is still thousands of years distant, as
the UFODigest article states, it would not get close to our
neighborhood by 2012...not by a longshot. Why the concern?

Abaddon the Destroyer?
That's a dude from the bottomless pit, the entrance of which is buried in the silt deposition of the Euphrates river.

Watched vids 1 thru to 4, at the end of the 4th vid the commentary is something like " and those who survived by a service to others will arise from the ruins etc.

If you watched to the end of vid 4 then you will know the exact passage of commentary.

Right there is when I realised it was just religious rhetoric and a damn good sales pitch for the book.

Sorry but if Niburu is on its way and can cause so much damage how come previous cultures with far less ability to survive than we have now, managed to write about the devastation that has gone before.

I just don't buy it.