When people keep rattling sabres, eventually, maybe even by accident, someone will get cut. Then you have a knife fight on your hands.

When you think something, you are one step away from saying it. When you say something, you are one step away from doing it.

Which is all the more reason to suggest that there is a great plan behind all this. At a glance, it looks like a really really monumental **** up should they go through with it, especially after Iraq, but even now it seems like its imminent. Why? Conspiracy theory!!! Yeah, theres definitely more to it than most people care to admit

I don't really have a side of this argument that I like, I guess you have to consider the overall situation for example Russia invaded or attacked whatever you prefer Afghanistan who had virtually no army at all and were quite surprised for what 10 years. The soviet Afghan war is referred to as Russia's Vietnam, which just happens to be another example of invasions, planning and warfare in general gone wrong..

While I am no fan of Iran or at least there leadership these are tough people
we have to train to fight and get ourselves in shape if we can pry our fat asses from our video game consoles these people were raised tough they live tough and they are used to third world conditions.

Population in Iran is around 70,000,000
The country is roughly the size of Germany France Spain and the UK combinedand is noted as the 18th largest country in the world.
Iran is also rated by the UN as semi developed

now when you consider the above facts as compared to the 26,000,000 people in Iraq and the the fact that it is noted as the 58th largest country in the world and is rated by the UN as undeveloped or developing

at any rate you can see the difference between the two and it is a big difference. They have a fairly substantial industrial and manufacturing base which means they can be self sufficient if need be and recent oil and refining deals with the Russians and Chinese make them even more sefl sufficient.

at any rate If we do attack I will probably go back in the Army I need to get out of the house anyway,

My $.02

GEO

Originally posted by Beachcoma

I spoke to several Iranian acquaintances few months back about what would happen if the US attacked Iran. What would they do, what would they think? Now these people are living abroad and not in Iran because they really don't think much of the Iranian government. But they all seem to be very patriotic about their motherland nonetheless and told me that the response from Iranians overseas would be... simply put, bad.

[edit on 4-9-2007 by Beachcoma]

Really bad, I hope Iranians haven't moved here and are that patriotic for their motherland. Now they are Americans, and now this becomes their mother land or they should move back.

Seriously, letting potential enemies live in your house will bring it down.

That is what worries me, America is my mother land; and I don't want a lot of immigrants who hate us living among us and causing trouble when its out of the citizens hands.

Who do they retaliate against? The citizens, then when you add infidels in the mix, it becomes sad. And the citizens don't make the decisions for war, and they shouldn't be forced among religion like their culture forces them.

Originally posted by xstealth

That is what worries me, America is my mother land; and I don't want a lot of immigrants who hate us living among us and causing trouble when its out of the citizens hands.

They don't hate you. At least that's not what I gather. They moved to the US from Iran after the revolution. Most of them moved overseas because they don't want to live under an Islamic theocracy, which I can appreciate. But they are a proud people, just like Americans, and they will not like it if their motherland is attacked, just like Americans.

You see, you guys aren't so different after all.

Organised is an acceptable alternative spelling, it's the main spelling in use in the UK, and maybe Canada and some other countries too.

I agree PrisonPlanet is a terrible source, but it's worth checking out who they are sourcing, often they do use fairly credible sources in their articles, they just usually add their fear based spin to it.

Originally posted by future flow
makes me think maybe they have some backup.....maybe in the form of china and russia?

Well if that's crazy talk, then I'm crazy as well. I was thinking the exact same thing.

Probably China more than Russia since China gets it's oil from Iran. But you never know.

That'll be the start of World War III, if it hasn't already started.

Originally posted by Jaruseleh
Iran is going to have a hard time retaliating on Israel and our locations in Iraq when they have no military left. if we hit iran, we will hit them extremely hard. I don't think most people comprehend how much we threw at Iraq the first night of Desert Storm and Shock and Awe. If you don't know, imagine a bunch of planes flying in and bombing...now multiply that by about 1000. Iran won't have much left to hit us with....

Who is saying the US will make the first move? Maybe Iran are waiting for the russians and chinese to say go on then we have your back!

Tehran 12,059,000
Mashhad 2,926,000
Esfahan 1,598,000
Shiraz 1,271,000
Tabriz 1,222,000
Ahvaz 830,000
Karaj 1,090,000
Bandar Abbas 508,000
Iran's population is over 71 million

Once you have decimated Iran's military, then what? 71 million Iranians on the ground wanting revenge for the unjustified attack on their country. Have you even thought it through.

"Have you even thought it through?"

Absolutely they have thought it through. These plans are not overnight dreams. They have been part of THE plan for many many years.

You think its a coincidence that Rumsfeld and Saddam where buddies at one stage? the very people who helped Saddam into power, then armed Saddam, where then the very ones to destroy him?

The whole middle east scenario is being played out to perfection. Exactly as intended. What might seem like utter chaos to you, is actually be part of that plan. We think in terms of what makes sense to us, without fully knowing whats really going on. Remember, they may actually want complete and utter chaos throughout the globe in order to bring about "other" plans - who knows.

Thats the scariest thing of all. We have no idea what they are up too. All we have are clues. Very faint and dim glimpses into their plans.
Thats why 911 was such a shock. No one knew who wasn't meant to know.
The Iran side of the this mystery is being played out. We'll see theories, educated guesses and blind views. But no one will know what this will eventually become.

But this much I do know - whatever the outcome, its been WELL planned and executed EXACTLY as ordered.

Did the Govt plan 911? Some believe they did. IF they did plan it, has anyone been caught out and prosecuted? So if they did plan it, their plans have come to pass and all we have done is watch it unfold. As we will do with Iran and the other plans they have in store for humanity.

Or this may be another cold war.... Just talking, talking and no action.

A ground campaign would probably be successful, however an occupation would be a disaster. The US ground forces can win, but they cant stay there, or insurgency would give it a hard time.

The US military CAN take on the Iranian military, it cannot take on the insurgency. No one can.

1. Unjustified? Ok, so you think its unjustified to pre-emptively attack a country that has repeatedly stated "We want to wipe Israel off the map any way we can, and we might have nukes"? Is that what you are saying? What is wrong with you?

2. In what way could the US Military lose? It DOES have better equipment, training, and numbers, in basically every aspect. YES I AGREE it would not be a walkover but it WOULD be a victory.

3. I love how people seem to think that Israel is just some poor little kid quivering in the corner unable to defend itself against its big-bad-scary Arab neighbors. You people are wrong. Israel could take on Syria quite easily, it has the same advantages that the US has over Iran.

4. Israel has stated "if you dont strike, we will".

Originally posted by BlackWidow23
3. I love how people seem to think that Israel is just some poor little kid quivering in the corner unable to defend itself against its big-bad-scary Arab neighbors. You people are wrong. Israel could take on Syria quite easily, it has the same advantages that the US has over Iran.

This is a good point. Israel probably has the only air force on the planet BETTER than the U.S. That's right, I said BETTER. The Israeli pilots are phenominal because they're battle tested. Our pilots go through a lot of training before going to war. Their pilot's training IS war. I'm not sur about the other aspects of their military, but I know their Air Force is practically unrivaled.