Plane Carrying Aviation Adventurer Steve Fossett Missing, page 9
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reply posted on 13-9-2007 @ 10:09 AM by TeslaandLyne
reply to post by justme1640



Isn't it Florida the state with the most airports and the most air crashes?

You just don't use a car when you get used to flying.

There may be imaging techniques that can spot plane parts,
special optical filters. Most likely TOP SECRET.


reply posted on 13-9-2007 @ 02:31 PM by Outrageo
I just saw this and thought I'd share: Nevada Bermuda Triangle. They barely mention Fossett, but the circumstances are similar.

Also, as a pilot myself who has flown the area, I'm sure Steve was equally well aware of his proximity to the large delineations of restricted airspace in that region. I can't imagine him having 'strayed' into, say, the Groom Lake area, and got himself into trouble. The many threads on ATS and elsewhere have long publicized the "shoot first - ask no questions - make no announcements" policy of the EG&G goons or our own men-in-blue.

There has been lots of 'scare-talk' about those that dare "cross-the-line" never being heard from again. Does the ethereal line-in-the sky also fall under such a policy? (it does). As John related previously about his adventures with Lazar, the guys guarding the perimeter definitely implement their mandate very seriously.

Since we haven't heard from Mr. Fossett, his plane, or his transponder since he vanished, permit a bit of speculation: Fossett, like Branson and others involved in emerging technologies, was (is) not only a world-class adventurer , but also an ace pilot, a dreamer, and a visionary. I can imagine him sharing a nice scotch or two one evening with Branson a few weeks back and the conversation turning to their own future, their insatiable curiosity, seeming invincibility, and the coincidence of their relative proximity to A51, etc.

Since S-4 sits on the edge of a dry lake bed (Papoose), and the adventurers have a burning desire to glimpse the latest and greatest potential aeronautical technology, why not take a little flight down thataway under the guise of "looking for a suitable dry lake bed", claim to see Papoose from the air and just "neglect to glance at the aeronautical charts" for restriction polygons, drift in a for a little look-see, hmmm? (Oh - and let's skip the flight plan, shall we?)

To the A51 sentries, the plane (a small Bellanca 2-seater aerobat) is just another civilian violator without a flight plan. Steve, with that kind of plane and his flying skills, once confronted, decides to high-tail it out of the area, maybe barnstorm a few canyons to lose 'em on the way out. After all - it would not look good for him and his buddies if he was caught, and he hasn't done anything wrong, really - was just scouting dry lake beds, is all...

Steve makes a run back to the northwest (Hawthorne is about 150 miles NW from A51 - an hour or two in a Bellance) followed by patrols commanding him down.

A mishap of some sort ensues, and a clean-up is ordered (or if far enough, just left 'to-be-discovered later). Subsequent silence, part of the blackout M.O., keeps everyone guessing for weeks.

OK, it's just a wild theory, I know. But with this man's background and the complete lack of any trace by hundreds of volunteers in the air and on the ground point to either: 1 - Steve has fallen (been pushed) under the radar, or 2 - Steve doesn't want to be found.

If the first scenario is closer, then we may find a couple of truckloads of Bellanca wreckage suddenly show up in some obscure canyon before long.

If the second scenario is closer, we wish you well, Steve Fossett. God's Speed.

By the way, there are dozens of dry lake beds on a line between the Flying M southeast to Groom Lake (but not many suitable to a LSR)...

Maybe the CAP and others should try searching within the yellow ellipse below:

[edit - fix link]

[edit on 9/13/2007 by Outrageo]


reply posted on 13-9-2007 @ 04:28 PM by JustMike
Originally posted by TommyCrown
Hi JustMike,
What are your views on previous postings with regard to the somewhat strange language used by officials in regard to previous sightings being dismissed as objects without further clarification.
It seems to me that CAP and military people talk in a language all of their own ( no disrespect intended).


Hi TommyCrown and sorry for a delayed reply. My view is that it makes sense to consider all possibilities in a case like this, and when military/officials tell us that they thought they found a downed plane, then say it wasn't but will only talk of it as an "object"(while at least six other old wrecks were acknowledged as such), I tend to the notion that Mr Fossett's disappearance is a cover or a diversion. I'm by no means alone or the first to say so, just backing up that option as one that has to be considered.

One of the reasons I'm spending more and more time on this site is because here, I at last have found a place where I see other people asking questions that I ask myself (sometimes aloud to only my wife) when major oddities or absurdities get put over us by the news media as "honest reporting". Like: Why is it that after telling us about the discovery of 6+ old plane wrecks, then calling the latest "looks-like -a-downed-plane-but-isn't" find only an object, no-one in the media asks: "So what the heck is/i] it then? Why won't you tell us?" And: "If you want to hide the fact that you've found something like a plane but it isn't one, then why didn't you just say it's another darned old plane wreck and leave us stumbling along with eyes wide shut? We'd buy it; you know that...So why are you dropping this huge hint?"

It's scary, you know...Why the hint?

Mike



[edit on 13-9-2007 by JustMike]


reply posted on 13-9-2007 @ 07:20 PM by spacedoubt
reply to post by TommyCrown



TommyCrown,

Not much news today, as winds are kind of high, and some aircraft are not able to participate in the search.

There are some ground crews going in, where smoke was reported they day he disappeared.


reply posted on 14-9-2007 @ 10:56 AM by MountainStar
First off, Welcome to the ATS *All you Newbies*

A quote from
www.foxnews.com...


To the south, just across the California line, search planes flew over an area northeast of Yosemite National Park after a woman reported Wednesday that she had camped there over Labor Day and had heard a noise that sounded like an airplane, followed by what sounded like an explosion, Page said.


This is pretty close to the Area Major Ed Dames was referring to. I'm hoping his team comes up, with a pinpoint location soon. According to one news article the searchers have covered 80%, of the above area. With California law officials helping out. It takes time, so many nooks and crannies.
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