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Originally posted by jedimiller
but if we collect and destroy all our weapons then we wouldnt be having this problem.
so i mean if we're going to get silly and blame an object for peoples actions lets go all out. speed limit is 75 on most interstates yet many many cars will do over 100mph. why?
oh and jedi, not to be picky or anything but while most martial arts are for "self defense" isnt it also true that they can be used offensivly?
but when someone tells me that my mini15, ar15, sig556 are overkill then i say so is your corvette or SUV
Dont you see the danger here ? Anyone who has ever taken an antidepresent medication could be considered "under medical evaluation"
And anyone can have a restraining order place upon them. All they have to do is ask a judge.
This is scary. The thinking of lets act before something could happen is not a road we should be heading down.
Our money hasnt been worth anything for decades now
The only things that will have any value will be food, water and bullets all of which I have been stockpiling.
Will the ATF take away my disaster filters because I am "delusional?" Will they take my food stores?
First it was religion and home-schooling that made you unfit parents and allowed the government to take your children away now "restraining orders" which can be assigned almost at will without any evidence can be used to deny you your individual rights.
Now more than ever every American, every anti-NWO globalism individual out there should be stockpiling. Bury them if you have to. Grab some pre-1899 mausers and bury those too. Dont let your enemy disarm you.
Is food created to be a weapon, like a gun is?
No, they wont.
Wow...restraining orders are that easy to get?
Paranoid much?
I have my words, then my fists. Im never disarmed.
but this 'go for your guns attitude' is doing more harm than good, you realise?
Why dont you protest, use your other rights instead of the everpresent 2nd amendment?
Originally posted by eyewitness86
Guessing about what he MIGHT have done is nonsense and illegally bothering this man and stealing his property is sickening.
Originally posted by jedimiller
well, I would question it too. why does a homeowner need that many guns and ammunition? what's his motivation? he might use them to take revenge or harm someone. BTW I am all for disarming civilians or even destroying all hand weapons once and for all. In this case, I believe it was wise for them to raid his home.
Originally posted by Damocles
i DO believe in rational gun laws. i dont think the NWO or the USG is out to get my guns so i have no problems with registration laws.
i am all for laws that prevent those CONVICTED of domestic violence from owning or possessing guns. anyone that will abuse their loved ones is obviously too deranged to own a gun.
if this guy had a restraining order against him thats probably where they started looking at his ammo pile and felt that where theres a lot of ammo there just may be a gun or two and felt the need to check it out. yes, we're outraged but would we have been MORE outraged had he capped someone?
so as far as guns go, im ok with rational laws. registration. licenses, and mandatory training or psych evals before you can get a permit. but when someone tells me that my mini15, ar15, sig556 are overkill then i say so is your corvette or SUV (how many people take them offroad? just a big gas guzzling way to compensate i guess).
Sure they will. Marshall law kicks in, FEMA is in charge, my filters arent FDA certified and according to them will "pose a significant health risk."
If life experience has made me paranoid, so be it.
Thats opinion and subject to change with the situation.
implement the same methods in the name of "universal healthcare" or "national safety.
In the end we're all limited to what the government "allows" us to do which can come with requirements ranging from relocation to RFID implantation to kneeling and praying to the government as Lord.
Both of which are God-given and have absolutely nothing to do with government.
vIf you ask me it's a God-given right for somebody to sit under a bridge and smoke crack all day consequently I have no obligation to support that crack
If I choose to help I help, if not I dont. No government has any right to force me to help. Yet they do everyday with threats of prison and death.
As far as the money not being worth anything it isnt.
It has absolutely no value and in some cases it is worth less than the paper it is printed on.
Originally posted by HeavilyArmed
I carry for my own protection and the protection of my family and if absolutely necessary for your safety too.
18,000 rounds is that all? Thats considered stockpiling? How many firearms is considered stockpiling? With several arms in different calibers 18,000 rounds is rather easy to accumulate.
Anyone who believes guns should be outlawed has never had a need for one or been put in a position that would increase their chances for survival.
What happens when the truck doesn't deliver the meat to the local store?
I carry professionally, no I'm not law enforcement but my job does require me to carry a side arm and I carry in private life as well. I carry for my own protection and the protection of my family and if absolutely necessary for your safety too.
Thats called being responsible. It's a damn shame more people aren't like you and I.
Besides being a great tool
It's really no surprise they alluded to mental illness in the report, what better way to pacify Americans while violating numerous Constitutionally protected rights.
Originally posted by Octavius Maximus
Well theres the thing, you dont need a gun to protect your family.
A tool for what? Unlike most tools, a gun has a rather limited amount of household applications.
You havnt considered that they might be telling the truth?
Would you like every joe crackhead and mr killbody with an automatic rifle?
I think anyone with a Mental illness and a large stockpile of ammunition has to be a worry.
Originally posted by HeavilyArmed
Take your fists to those situations my friend. Or better yet take a stick and rock
IN given situations, the need is obvious. I live in Las Vegas, and the number of multiple offender home invasions rises every year. Think your words would have much effect in that situation? Do you also propose disarming police? Afterall, if a gun isn't needed, why do they carry?
A firearm is nothing more than a tool, the human holding it is the weapon.
Have you considered that maybe they aren't? Surely if the news can do enough research to find that guy was declared delusional, they could have posted a copy of the report right?
Given the ridiculous amounts of BS one must go through in order to obtain a Class 3 item, do you really believe thats possible?
And what if the government decides to declare opposition to government a "mental illness" under the heading of paranoia?
You fail to take into account that Octavious is some super-human sci-fi ninja machine unsoppable by mere mortal men
Originally posted by Octavius Maximus
Of course not. In an uncorrupted society the police should have much better equipment than any person should be allowed to have. Allow Police to fight criminals on better terms, rather than the same.
Hmmm, not in my view. It is a compensation. Allowing anyone who wants to kill someone, to do it.
This would break this mans right to privacy, would it not?
Well the Original poster has given the evidence i need. The suspect has a restraining order on him, meaning he should have been investigated before being allowed to own ammunition or a firearm.
This may or may not include a psychiactric exam.
Well the thing is that each case of Mental illness is different, hence each case of reported mental illness of any kind needs to be studied before any kind of verdict be made on whether this person is allowed to operate all his or her freedoms without harming themselves or others.
You cant just lock people away for being crazy anymore. There are procedures in place for these kinds of situations.
Nah, in those sorts of cases i will arm myself. I think probably my Katana would do...its my favorite of my collection, and the one im best with