I may have new evidence to prove we never went to the Moon

Let me see if I have this right.

You (jm) have no evidence to back up your "claim." You have no research to point to, other than a website where there are paintings of space enviroments. You refuse to acknowledge the existence of the laser experiments that they placed on the moon (and you are supposedly an astronomy student).

Does anyone here remember the good old days where folks did research before they posted? I miss those days.

reply to post by jedimiller

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I for one am not angry, though I do wish to address the issue you raise. A matte background would result in a "flat" backdrop if viewed using stereo pairs taken facing the same direction from different locations while on the moon. This is not the case, however, as images taken from two distant points during such missions as apollo 15 reveal that the mountains are indeed really there in all 3 dimensions. It would have been impossible to create this effect with a matte painting.

i14.photobucket.com...

This image can be viewed with the "magic eye" or "cross eye" technique: cross your eyes slightly while staring at the image until they overlap. You should see 3 images, in the center one the mountains will be in 3d.

[edit on 9-4-2008 by ngchunter]

with all due respect, jedi, i find it hard to take anything you say seriously. the first post i saw from you pertained to an experiment that you were going to do using a microwave and a telephone to phase a hotdog into another dimension. another one of your articles claimed that hi-def was a scam because the blu-ray format just enhanced the blue element in the video, which is not even close to correct and the slightest bit of research would have shown that. i actually ended up putting you on my ignore list, so at first i was wondering why i saw no original post. =)

i might come off as a jerk in this post. if you think so, then i won't be offended. i'm just putting this warning out there: take what this guy says with a molecule of NaCl.

I find your theory to be seriously flawed. You've ignored or were unaware of things like the Lunar laser reflectors. Which are still used to this day. Sure they could have been placed by robots. The Russian ones were, but they aren't as good as the ones that were placed by hand durring the Apollo missions. You've also ignored the Lunar samples which make for some extremely good evidence that we went to the Moon. You're also ignoring that the later missions had the Lunar Rovers which traversed several km worth of the Lunar surface with continuous DAC and video footage. Show me a movie studio that can build a set that big.

It's also clear that you didn't examine the photos in too much detail. Like ngchunter pointed out. If you compare two photos from the same mission, that are showing the same mountains in the background. You'll notice differences in them. You can take it a step further and find two photos taken in close proximity to one another and make an animated .gif that flips back and forth between them, which creates a 3d like effect. Here is one that I made out of two Apollo 15 photos.

Definitely not a matte painting. The only thing I can agree with you is that Ralph McQuarrie was a great artist.

reply to post by jedimiller

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Not convinced I'm afraid, and until you can explain
Lunar Laser Ranging ExperimenttThen this is just another "Men didn't land on the Moon" conspiracy theory. That observatory has been in use since it was put there. It doesn't lie...



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Dammit JRA, you just beaten me to it!!!

It is interesting to note that these crack pot theories never tackle the Lunar Laser experiment. I suspect it's to difficult to explain away...

What I find interesting is your thread about the Blue ray dvd's when you say you are going to film school. Then a week later you are an astronomer? Seriously give everyone a break.

I think we did actually step foot on the moon, but not in 1969 like it's written in history. I think we ended up there in the following years but the initial 'landing' was a hoax due to the current space race at the time.

Out of curiousity, is there a particular reason why noone has made a return trip? Surely if we managed it 30 odd years ago then we've improved the technology and ease of a repeat successful mission?

reply to post by punkinworks

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Thats what I keep hearing.I find this very interesting.Thanks for your info,Punkinworks.

reply to post by Jimbowsk

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If you want to know why we stopped going, just look at the budget. It was not a cheap program. It was very expensive, and each rocket could only be used once. Since then we've learned that you get what you pay for, and if there's one thing the government simply cannot do, it's to do something cost efficiently. That's really why we're going back now; the shuttle is simply more expensive than it was ever supposed to be and if you're going to be spending that much on space exploration, you may as well go all out and have something big to show for it. By the way, Apollo 11 was one of the missions that set down a Laser retroreflector, forever proving it happened.

[edit on 11-4-2008 by ngchunter]

I've always been amused at how the partisans of the "man never walked on the moon" were skilled at making themselves unbelievable.

Seriously... please. I'm even nearly surprised that nobody came back with the "floating flag" thing...