Originally posted by gonquin
I watched this movie and found it massivley frustrating, I was hoping for an in depth documentary of how the footage was recorded, the one and only reason to hold back this information is to make more money .... If this guy has really discoverd something big then why is he not sharing it ? the footage if real is amazing but the whole thing stinks.....

Indeed, it is very beautiful and I am tempted to recreate a contraption like his if I would know how, BUT then i think, "What about all the other astronomers and amateurs around, this is going on and nobody sees that", even the pro's I know that are around and would surely blow the whistle on this. Believe me, there are a lot of pro's around that would tlak about this if they could create such footage. I cannot believe that the whole scientific community is kept quiet. I know a couple of them (non-astronomers), and they sure would talk.

I send Mr. Excamilla this mail. Maybe we should do this all.

Dear Mr. Escamilla,

Your footage is very interesting and could be very important for us all.
Of course to be sure of the content of the footage people would have to repeat your experimental filming.
To do that people would have to know how you were able to acquire such footage.

As long nobody can repeat your method of filming your footage scientifically means nothing. To proof it is real footage of real objects around us, other credible people would have to able to do the same, don't you think?

My question is in short: "Are you willing to share your method of filming with the public?"

This could be the most important discovery to disclose are current cosmic position as human beings. But only if we are able to repeat your method. On itself it means nothing, I am sorry to say.

Kind regards,

I am suspicious of the illusive technique claimed and imagery shown. My observation is people see what they want to see and fall all over something new thought up from an imaginative mind.

Sensationalism of mans instrumentality on a grand scale. The entertainment value is priceless.

Originally posted by Palasheea
Isn't it common knowledge that there's a 'culture of secrecy among observatory astronomers all over the world?

Yes... I remember reading an interview to Jacques Valee, a french astronomer by profession that turned to be one of the best ufologists we ever had, mentioned this. In fact, he said that they were able to tape some very strange things in a french astronomic observatory one night, and the tapes were destroyed the same day. The reason? No respectable astronomer/scientist wanted to go public with the tapes just to be ridiculed by their collegues or the whole media.

Unfortunately, Vallee does not participate anymore in the ufology field. Apparently, he left with a bitter taste after ufology polarized so much into the abduction/regression phenomena. Man, I miss him so.

Originally posted by Celtibero

Originally posted by Palasheea
Isn't it common knowledge that there's a 'culture of secrecy among observatory astronomers all over the world?

....Jacques Valee, a french astronomer .......said that they were able to tape some very strange things in a french astronomic observatory one night, and the tapes were destroyed the same day.....

Its a stretch to refer to some arcane idea shared only by a tiny subset of the general public as "common knowledge". It is a statistically insignificant item of specialized trivia.

Referring to M. Valee.....His quoted claim is meaningless as support for any position. Its not even a good circular argument....See? The tapes do not exist....it must be true.

Originally posted by dodgygeeza
I don't remember Einstein setting up a website about his "Mega cool new discovery" and to find out, you'll have to pay a fee. If he really has found something and he is holding it back because of his own disgusting greed, that could literally change the entire world, then he is pure scum and is just as bad as those who know the secrets but refuse to divulge.

What do you know about literally changing the world? Oppenheimer didn't know until it was too late. And Einstein had the graces of academia to depend on. Lenard Walson's situation is largely unknown. Just how many hours are involved for him to do the work that he does? Do you have the answer to that? Do you go to work every day, or does your parents go to work every day, expecting to get nothing in return? Hardly likely. Unless you're independently wealthy, in which case you would be in a better position than many of us to directly support Walson's work. That would be a whole lot better and worth a whole lot more to humanity than what you've done so far in the comments you've made.

[edit on 4-9-2007 by Areal51]

One thing I will say is in one way he is right, all those stars you think you see aren't really stars.

Common sense should tell you that anything in this crappy video is suspect and might have been taken out of context. If it is based in reality, then he should have released his findings to the public, as what he has done should be verifiable and repeatable by hundreds, if not thousands of people worldwide. Since he has not done that, it is obviously suspect.

You can often judge the credibility and veracity of anything by the actions surrounding it. This one stinks to high heaven. These idiots are taking advantage of all the people that are so eager to believe they will fall for anything.....for money, lol.

If this fool....I mean seriously intelligent, observant individual.....is the keeper of such ENORMOUS knowledge and discovery, he would want it verified by multiple sources. Think about it, if it's money and fame he was after he would get much more of both if it was verified by mainstream astronomers...book deal...history channel expose.....interviews.....documentaries....WAY more than he could make by taking part in some two bit "mokumentary" that is so ridiculous to anybody with half a brain. That alone should tell you something right there.

But lets overlook that and jump to the conclusion that he knows something that nobody else knows, nobody else can VERIFY, and you have to pay for, lol. What an idiot. Those who fall for this type of stuff without using common sense concerning it's surrounding story (as I stated above) are hurting Ufology.

If I discovered something as important as deep space ufo's, free energy, shape shifting reptiles, etc and had a way to VIEW them AND wanted to get money out of it, what makes more sense in the long run? Some stupid mockumentary aimed at people that already believe almost anything blurry they see, or mainstream public that would afford me WAY more opportunity to fame and money.

It's called common sense, people. Use it and half the threads in this section disappear.

Originally posted by gonquin
I watched this movie and found it massivley frustrating, I was hoping for an in depth documentary of how the footage was recorded, the one and only reason to hold back this information is to make more money .... If this guy has really discoverd something big then why is he not sharing it ? the footage if real is amazing but the whole thing stinks.....

excellent-- i just saved myself many minutes in viewing yet more false "proof" of intelligent ET life lurking about our Moon or our solar system. i want proof as much as the next guy, but other people posting have already called into question this guys credentials.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts

It's called common sense, people. Use it and half the threads in this section disappear.

If people used common sense, Half the threads on this entire forum would dissapear too, then again, it probably wouldnt be half a much fun reading some of the things posted.

True for sure, this is the most entertaining board on the net for me, lol.

This guy creates a telescope and has some sort of CCD camera attached to it and captures this stuff? My first question would be how did he compensate for atmospheric distortion? Ground based telescopes have had to deal with this problem for many years but in the last 5-10 years they have used computers and software that compensates for these atmospheric distortions. The telescopes sensor uses tiny mirrors that move in order for that compensation.

The Hubble telescope was built to go into space to overcome atmospheric distortion.