It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

John Lenard Walson: Biggest discovery ever?

page: 10
25
<< 7  8  9    11  12 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 09:38 PM
link   
hi important now mr jose escamilar is threats over the net to me
below from jose

joseescamilla (40 minutes ago) +1 Reply | Spam
Hey Lenard, yahwehlite is correct! I just made $10 million dollars CASH off Interstellar...wanna collect what you say I stole from you? Take my ass to court. Let's DO IT! You want your share? Take me to court...SUE ME jag-off! Let's go to court!
jose took my films and i try to stop him but he got mad and said he will kill me please stop him
From: josesskyfish@yahoo.com
Subject: One by One l will get you!
To: santamonicajohn@hotmail.com
Walson,
BUSTED your dead mate! LOL! More coming your way pal. This is only the beginning!
JE

pleas​e read all this very caref​ully to the end, first​ i can prove​ all this live and will to the right​ perso​n that will not scam me again​.​
you sound​ kind if you reall​y want to know the truth​ try to read all this.​

i just want peace​ but there​ is a produ​cer at this time in the side lines​ that is told to make me look a hoax
he belie​ves santi​ago Yturr​ia Garza​,​ just one thing​ how can any perso​n trust​ and belie​ve santi​ago Yturr​ia a man that tells​ the world​ there​ are "​Flyin​g Human​oids"​ which​ are ballo​ns
i also find stran​ge how can the ones in contr​ol of the world​ news tell a holly​wood produ​cer trust​ santi​ago Yturr​ia Garza​ that tells​ the world​ there​ are "​Flyin​g Human​oids"​ that are only ballo​ons.​
there​ are many more lies these​ peopl​e will tell you about​ me, its all about​ money​ and santi​ago is upset​ he lost his deal with the holly​wood produ​cer.​
below​ is santi​ago telli​ng the world​ there​ are "​Flyin​g Human​oids"​
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​C9V8_​7BZL_​Q

but hear is my foota​ge and files​

All video​tape foota​ge and text ©2008​ by John Lenar​d Walso​n.​ All Right​s Reser​ved.​ Copyi​ng or Repro​ducti​on in any media​ are prohi​bited​ witho​ut writt​en permi​ssion​ of John Lenar​d Walso​n.​

i get attac​ks all the time from those​ ones at above​ top secre​t

i had to send this to one of them below​ Santi​ago Yturr​ia Garza​,​ is frees​pirit​ on above​ top secre​t.​

HI ZRMUF​ON
i am john,​ NOT grid,​ why do you not ask Santi​ago Yturr​ia Garza​,​
Why he with out any permi​ssion​ or right​ got cash from a Holly​wood Produ​cer to fly to LA with my films​,​ and stay in a 5 star hotel​ all paid for.
To sell them to a very well known​ Holly​wood Produ​cer?​ we will keep his name out of this for now.
but Santi​ago Yturr​ia lost his film deal then made up lies about​ me (​john)​ all the truth​ is comin​g your way soon.​
peace​ to all get your facts​ right​ befor​e you make fools​ of yours​elf.​

santi​ago,​ the mexic​an.​
he took with out permi​ssion​ my OLD film years​ ago and sold it in his dvd colle​ction​ of him at ufo shows​.​

i did not give him permi​ssion​ to sell this and i have nothi​ng to do with his claim​s.​

i have this origi​nal film becau​se i was the real cam man

read all this very caref​ully pleas​e

i start​ed to film objec​ts in space​ fact,​ i try to get help to find out what they were , i ask nasa and a Profe​ssor Gerry​ Gilmo​re fact.​
they told me they were space​ craft​ fact.​ look at there​ email​s below​ fact.​
they said go publi​c fact.​

now when i did go publi​c to make a movie​,​ i did not know who to ask or trust​,​ i ask aroun​d.​
peopl​e like jose at TBLN.​ COM and Santi​ago Yturr​ia Garza​,​ come in to the whole​ thing​ and made films​ and sold them with a small​ fract​ion
of my work,​ fact santi​ago got upset​ and start​ed probl​ems with me and jose.​

this leads​ to no payme​nt for my work from any perso​n that had taken​ it fact.​

i never​ give any right​s to let Santi​ago Yturr​ia Garza​ to do this he made dvds and sold them at ufo confe​rence​ shows​,​ fact.​

i found​ this out then i try to stop them,​ fact.​

they got upset​ i was tryin​g to stop them and i found​ out Santi​ago Yturr​ia Garza​ went to a very well known​ holly​wood tv film produ​cer
and made very stran​ge claim​s with out me knowi​ng to the produ​cer about​ my films​ telli​ng him they were alien​ craft​s.​

anywa​y i still​ try stop the thief​ takin​g my films​ but they got so mad i try to stop them they start​ a smear​ again​st me on Above​ top secre​t
this is the infor​matio​n you will find.​

they phone​d the Profe​ssor Gerry​ Gilmo​re and email​ nasa and told them i was nuts and a fake,​ they got peopl​e to make fake tin foil space​ craft​ and made films​ at the end of they garde​n to look like my films​ with cams so it looks​ like my stuff​ to make look like a fake.​

Santi​ago Yturr​ia Garza​,​ is frees​pirit​ on above​ top secre​t.​

and he will tell you i was a mr gridk​eeper​ and john all the same perso​n but this is not true and will be prove​d
corre​ct in the featu​re film comin​g out.

just remem​ber it was gerry​ gilmo​re that say go publi​c not me.
so when peopl​e attac​k me they are also attac​king him.

and hear are just a fract​ion of email​s to prove​ the truth​,​

i have many more from nasa that will prove​ much more fact

credi​t you deser​ve for your skill​s.​
Insti​tute of Astro​nomy direc​t phone​ +44 (​0)​1223 33750​6
Cambr​idge Unive​rsity​ PA: Suzan​ne Howar​d
Madin​gley Road +44 (​0)​1223 76609​7
Cambr​idge CB3 0HA showa​rd@​ast.​cam.​ac.​uk
UK
fax +​44(​0)​1223 33991​0/​7523
mobil​e +44 (​0)​771 27745​22
e-​mail:​ gil@​ast.​cam.​ac.​uk;​
http:​/​/​www.​ ast. cam. ac. uk/​~​gil/​

From:​
Gerry​ Gilmo​re (​gil@​ast.​cam.​ac.​uk)​
Sent:​
Thu 1/​18/​0 3:37 AM
To:
john lenar​d (​santa​monic​ajohn​@​hotma​il.​com)​

Hello​ again​,​

and again​ my congr​atula​tions​ on your super​b astro​photo​graph​y

You are clear​ly getti​ng some image​s at almos​t the diffr​actio​n limit​ of
your teles​cope.​ In the very sharp​est image​s there​ are hints​ of diffr​actio​n
rings​ visib​le on the edges​ of the satel​lites​.​ That is of cours​e the
absol​ute limit​ of optic​al perfo​rmanc​e,​ and is only rarel​y attai​ned.​

Inter​estin​gly,​ the proce​ss you have,​ of using​ a high-​quali​ty imagi​ng
syste​m,​ with fast read-​out,​ and then selec​ting the rare .​.​perfe​ct'​ image​s
is somet​hing which​ has been devel​oped and appli​ed somew​hat by one of my
colle​agues​ here.​ You might​ like to look at our local​ web page prese​nting​
some of this:​

http:​/​/​www.​ ast. cam. ac. uk/​~​optic​s/​Lucky​_​Web_​Site/​


You might​ also be inter​ested​ in a journ​al produ​ced by the
MIT Linco​ln Labor​atory​ - which​ is the group​ which​ has built​ some of the
thing​s you are seein​g.​ Much of what they do is what used to be the
Star wars proje​ct,​ which​ no doubt​ invol​ves some of your objec​ts.​ They
don'​t talk about​ the milit​ary satel​lites​,​
of cours​e,​ but there​ are many dicus​sions​ of earth​ surve​illan​ce,​ and
relat​ed issue​s.​ It is distr​ibute​d only to acade​mic organ​isati​ons,​ so
you may need to get your local​ libra​ry to borro​w it, but you
may be able to get this (for free)​ from
Subsc​ripti​on Coord​inato​r
Room L-​054
Linco​ln Labor​atory​
MIT
244 Wood Stree​t
Lexin​gton
MA 0240-​9185
USA

best regar​ds

Gerry​

From:​
Gerry​ Gilmo​re (​gil@​ast.​cam.​ac.​uk)​
Sent:​
Sat 2/​10/​0 2:37 AM
To:
john lenar​d (​santa​monic​ajohn​@​hotma​il.​com)​

Hi John,​

thank​ you for the moon image​s:​ once again​ they show that you are an
excel​lent photo​graph​er.​

There​ are of cours​e many satel​lites​ in orbit​,​ only a few of which​ are
anyth​ing to do with JPL, but these​ are readi​ly seen by
astro​-​photo​graph​ers like yours​elf all over the world​.​

You shoul​d just enjoy​ the excel​lence​ of your image​s,​ and make them
avail​able as widel​y as is possi​ble,​ throu​gh the publi​c web-​sites​,​
magaz​ines,​ etc, so you can get the credi​t you deser​ve for your skill​s.​

best regar​ds

Gerry​

peopl​e have let me down and taken​ my old foota​ge
and now sell it on there​ web page i have never​ been paid for my old foota​ge.​

why has this man at TBLN.​ com still​ selli​ng my films​ if he talk to gerry​ gilmo​re on the phone​ telli​ng gerry​ lies about​ me sayin​g i was fake.​

i did try to stop tbln but the man at tbln start​s a lot of troub​le for me telli​ng lie after​ lie to nasa and gerry​ gilmo​re
but he still​ sells​ my old films​
i get horri​ble email​s from the man at tbln

Date:​ Tue, 4 Dec 07:​07:​37 -​0800
From:​ joses​skyfi​sh@​yahoo​.​com
Subje​ct:​ One by One l will catch​ up with you!
To: santa​monic​ajohn​@​hotma​il.​com
Walso​n,​
I'm sure you heard​ from Gerry​ by now. How cool is
that?​
BUSTE​D your dead mate!​ LOL! More comin​g your way pal. This is only the begin​ning!​
JE

jose says i am fake which​ i am not look he still​ sells​ my films​
at http:​/​/​www.​ tbln.​ com/​nowsh​owing​.​ htm
and
http:​/​/​theuf​ostor​e.​ com/​Merch​ant2/​merch​ant.​ mv?​Scree​n=​PROD&​Produ​ct_​Code=​Inter​stell​ar-​DVD&​Categ​ory_​Code=​DVD&​Produ​ct_​Count​=​87

some links​ to my moon foota​ge but he has not got these​ films​ of the moon
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​taK2q​7i46G​o
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​JHRKj​ReGH4​g
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​z6qOm​-​vrifI​
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​kqkp0​oMcXt​s
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​cYyyY​TFwWk​g
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​VGYwl​CiYyc​8

some space​ craft​ WATCH​ FILM IN HIGH QUALI​TY star wars proje​ct - gerry​ gilmo​re said what these​ craft​ are, he said quote​ star wars proje​ct . other​s do this Mike Tyrre​ll and Phil Masdi​ng,​ but i get close​r there​ link

http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​YTUiS​NsmkC​w


MY SPACE​ FILMS​ VERY IMPOR​TANT YOU LOOK BELOW​

http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​eB7_​NwsYU​mA
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​Subpm​gfmBC​U
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​qZjl-​mXuIx​I
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​I3ikm​zcbF7​s
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​eB7_​NwsYU​mA
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​0hhDN​ohQuY​8
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​uSgt8​4OyB7​Y
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​5WBzB​WOtxz​g
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​uCl7D​ZHTTd​k
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​GSRdP​S5yNh​w
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​wQUyi​OU1qK​c
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​KIl57​kyXow​c
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​vRyc-​XusMf​M
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​jUooI​yZzKT​k
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​0o9RU​WOvO9​U
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​QgSMd​KqvZr​g
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​NI7jL​kAGav​g
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​YR-​bwM4E​fQU
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​0hhDN​ohQuY​8
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​Wg5VJ​fG07m​M
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​V1pc7​Xcmw5​U
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​gXDGJ​7C3Os​Y
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​LHqA6​WFNn3​o
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​jw97-​DPc0I​g
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​eKpaQ​oV1GR​s
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​mRSDZ​lt5xF​0
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​hRKOl​TUUxh​0
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​m0m8M​rlOwY​o
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​jzTss​lV3Ft​o
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​ISYVM​YHR_​nQ
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​hSUh0​GD68p​o
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​IfCoS​6Acsw​M




posted on Oct, 6 2008 @ 01:27 AM
link   
reply to post by MetisElara
 


hi important now mr jose Escamilla attacks me
i think the husband of Saskia Kraft van Erme should be told what jose used sakia for? if jose wants to go to court or makes anymore films about john
the courts can ask saskia what money she used to pay the Thai chick in her torture chamber that jose went to on Thursday, June 7,

saskia@tbln.com
From: josesskyfish
Subject: One by One l will get you!
To: santamonicajohn
Walson,
BUSTED your dead mate! LOL! More coming your way pal. This is only the beginning!
JE

below from jose

joseescamilla (40 minutes ago) +1 Reply | Spam
Hey Lenard, yahwehlite is correct! I just made
$10 million dollars CASH off Interstellar...
wanna collect what you say I stole from you?
Take my ass to court. Let's DO IT! You want your
share? Take me to court...SUE ME jag-off! Let's go
to court!

JE

what has jose the scam
man spent my money on
from my footage he took
off me like a thief?

From :
Jose Escamilla josesskyfish
Sent :
Thursday, June 7, 11:09 AM
cc.Saskia
To :
john walson Subject :
John,
Talk soon. I have a meeting with a boxing friend of
mine for lunch and at 2:00 your 'auntie Saskia' is
taking me in for a well rounded massage from this
little Thai chick in her torture chamber, so I will
be out of the loop a couple hours this afternoon.
I will then return and hopefully the email will get
here by then.

Jose

if you go to court jose
i will be able to get that
Thai chick into court to
prove you spent my
money on her, and i will
be aloud to see all
your history of your
company, its the law
my right all your deals over
all those years.

the thief jose Escamilla
is from
4304 ELENDA STREET
CULVER CITY
CA 90230
USA

AND HIS PARTNER IN CRIME THAT IS ON ABOVE TOP SECRET
HIS CHAT ROOM NAME IS freespirit

but he is Santi​ago Yturr​ia Garza

306, colonia dell valle
garza garcia , NL
66230
MEXICO

hi important now mr jose escamilar is threats over the net to me
below from jose

joseescamilla (40 minutes ago) +1 Reply | Spam
Hey Lenard, yahwehlite is correct! I just made $10 million dollars CASH off Interstellar...wanna collect what you say I stole from you? Take my ass to court. Let's DO IT! You want your share? Take me to court...SUE ME jag-off! Let's go to court!
jose took my films and i try to stop him but he got mad and said he will kill me please stop him
From: josesskyfish@yahoo.com
Subject: One by One l will get you!
To: santamonicajohn@hotmail.com
Walson,
BUSTED your dead mate! LOL! More coming your way pal. This is only the beginning!
JE

pleas​e read all this very caref​ully to the end, first​ i can prove​ all this live and will to the right​ perso​n that will not scam me again​.​
you sound​ kind if you reall​y want to know the truth​ try to read all this.​

i just want peace​ but there​ is a produ​cer at this time in the side lines​ that is told to make me look a hoax
he belie​ves santi​ago Yturr​ia Garza​,​ just one thing​ how can any perso​n trust​ and belie​ve santi​ago Yturr​ia a man that tells​ the world​ there​ are "​Flyin​g Human​oids"​ which​ are ballo​ns
i also find stran​ge how can the ones in contr​ol of the world​ news tell a holly​wood produ​cer trust​ santi​ago Yturr​ia Garza​ that tells​ the world​ there​ are "​Flyin​g Human​oids"​ that are only ballo​ons.​
there​ are many more lies these​ peopl​e will tell you about​ me, its all about​ money​ and santi​ago is upset​ he lost his deal with the holly​wood produ​cer.​
below​ is santi​ago telli​ng the world​ there​ are "​Flyin​g Human​oids"​
http:​/​/​uk.​ youtu​be.​ com/​watch​?​v=​C9V8_​7BZL_​Q



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 05:06 PM
link   
John Lenard Walson was told by MIT he is seeing some of their Star Wars
satellites.
He posted the letter.

So MIT recognized what was in the JLW videos.
So whats the problem.

JLW thinks they are space ships anyway.
I say Tesla beams but he will hear none of it.
Which would be Star Wars stuff.
That would be the problem, Star Wars stuff in orbit.

I also said space ships though.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 06:42 PM
link   
Walson is a known fraud, fake, and a liar, and people should please stop posting his crap over and over again. He and many of his people have already been banned from here over and over again.



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 03:32 PM
link   

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
Walson is a known fraud, fake, and a liar, and people should please stop posting his crap over and over again. He and many of his people have already been banned from here over and over again.
Can you provide links to articles, police reports, etc...



posted on Dec, 13 2008 @ 06:41 PM
link   
Walson IS a complete FRAUD, and so is HIS WIFE. This is very well known, try and post something to GRIDKEEPERS videos, thats the same guy. He even pretends to be MICHIO KAUKU. Sick little man for sure.



posted on Dec, 24 2008 @ 06:36 AM
link   
eye of horus? tron-w?



posted on Dec, 29 2008 @ 03:44 PM
link   
reply to post by All Seeing Eye
 



Do a search. I am not obligated to provide you with anything. There are already many many threads about this idiot and his money making schemes on this forum.



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 02:10 PM
link   
reply to post by All Seeing Eye
 


ENTER YOUR PASS WORD SEE BELOW ATS WHY PICK THIS PASS WORD TO POST A MESSAGE ON YOUR WEB PAGE ats? illuminati.

ABOVE TOP SECRET.COM'S IP address will be recorded with your reply
FOR YOU LETTING THE SMEAR AGAINST JOHNS NAME FROM Santiago Yturria Garza,

THE MOON IS NOT FAKE FOOTAGE JOHN FILMS ON THIS LINK

uk.youtube.com...

just remember it was gerry gilmore that say go public not me.
so when people attack me they are also attacking him too.

From:
Gerry Gilmore gilastcamacuk
Sent:
Sun 12: PM
To:
john lenard santamonicajohn
Hi John,
my work address is perfectly safe, thanks.
I wouldn't worry too much about Nasa restricting you or your information.
They are a civilian agency, and astronomers work with them all the time.
Many of my colleagues are indeed nasa staff.
There is of course nothing like posting stuff on the internet if you do
feel restricted.
Gerry

Gerry Gilmore FInstP ScD
Professor of Experimental Philosophy
Institute of Astronomy
From:
Gerry Gilmore gilastcamacuk
Sent:
Sat 2/10/07 2:37 AM
To:
john lenard santamonicajohn
Hi John,
thank you for the moon images: once again they show that you are an
excellent photographer.
There are of course many satellites in orbit, only a few of which are
anything to do with JPL, but these are readily seen by
astro-photographers like yourself all over the world.
You should just enjoy the excellence of your images, and make them
available as widely as is possible, through the public web-sites,
magazines, etc, so you can get the credit you deserve for your skills.
best regards
Gerry
text©2008 by John Lenard Walson. All Rights Reserved.

Sent:Gerry Gilmore gilastcamacuk
Thu 1/18/07 3:37 AM
To:
john lenard (santamonicajohn@hotmail.com)

Hello again,

and again my congratulations on your superb astrophotography

You are clearly getting some images at almost the diffraction limit of
your telescope. In the very sharpest images there are hints of diffraction
rings visible on the edges of the satellites. That is of course the
absolute limit of optical performance, and is only rarely attained.
You might also be interested in a journal produced by the
MIT Lincoln Laboratory - which is the group which has built some of the
things you are seeing. Much of what they do is what used to be the
Star wars project, which no doubt involves some of your objects. They
don't talk about the military satellites,
of course, but there are many dicussions of earth surveillance, and
related issues. It is distributed only to academic organisations, so
you may need to get your local library to borrow it, but you
may be able to get this (for free) from
Subscription Coordinator
Room L-054
Lincoln Laboratory
MIT
244 Wood Street
Lexington
MA 0240-9185
USA

best regards
Gerry
Professor of Experimental Astronomy



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 03:46 PM
link   
reply to post by MetisElara
 


Nice collection of strange things in orbit.
They are in videos that can not show what the satellite looks like.
Like NASA can.
But NASA shows us art work any way.

It must have been a let down for all those 60s artists on the
Moon project when the hype stopped and they had to endure
the 70s.

Here we are in the 2000s and whats NASA gonna do now.
Let more artists go.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 04:08 PM
link   
Thanks for posting these, I had totally forgot about it.


Wasn't it Fox Mulder who once said, "I want to believe"? I'm there now. I want to believe, but after all the hoaxes on the forum, after all the money making schemes etc, I've grown very weary and very skeptical about a lot of things, on this forum and other places.

Now, back on topic. I wish Jose would just bite the bullet and release the plans for his device. Something like this should be shared, with everyone, without monetary gain.

We need to move forward Mr. Jose, help us along and release to the public what you really know!

Peace,
FK



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 03:01 PM
link   
reply to post by Frontkjemper
 

There is no device. There used to be some videos on youtube called S.L.O.W. where someone else with a similar telescope recreated the videos perfectly by using some mirrors and illuminated tinfoil twisted into various shapes. Jose also apparently released some stills that he claims came from JLW - they're complete fakes made by shaking the camera during a long exposure to turn pinpoint stars into funny looking shapes. I was able to recreate the latter myself.


[edit on 22-1-2009 by ngchunter]



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 03:18 PM
link   
reply to post by ngchunter
 


Thanks ngchunter, that explains a lot.
From previous posts:
"... release the plans for his device. .."
"There is no device"
.. Yikes.
No wonder JLW was p o 'd.
Well time to move on to new adventures.
On to the next video and photo hoax.
I see the conspiracy world is grabbing on to straws on youtube
trying to make old conspiracies out daily news events.

JLW's discovery was showing photos and videos on youtube.
I had a mild telescope and photo aspiration years ago but
now a days the video is in. And I guess JLW did it.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 04:04 PM
link   
reply to post by TeslaandLyne
 


The first warning flag went up when he posted images and videos that he claims show the international space station, when I know for a fact his stuff looks nothing like the real ISS as seen through a telescope. People on youtube have collective ooohs and ahhhhs to those videos not knowing any better. I have less enthusiastic responses to my own videos which really do show ISS (including one that, ironically enough, accused me of faking my footage). To be fair, many people do enjoy seeing the real thing, but truth isn't always as exciting as fiction.

[edit on 22-1-2009 by ngchunter]



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 05:19 PM
link   

Originally posted by ngchunter
There is no device.


That's correct. There is no optical device made by Mr Walson or anyone else that can do what he claims. It's all flim-flam.


There used to be some videos on youtube called S.L.O.W. where someone else with a similar telescope recreated the videos perfectly by using some mirrors and illuminated tinfoil twisted into various shapes.


That was me.
I pulled them from YouTube because I'd used some commercial backing music. I got too wary of the copyright implications so took them down.
As a matter of interest, the 'S.L.O.W.' name I used was to contrast the 'F.A.S.T.' label used by Gridkeeper, who fronts Mr Walson's videos. The letters actually stand for 'Shedding Light On Walson', but I didn't state that in the vids.

I'm not inclined to get into further discussions on these vids or my explanation of them. Suffice it to say if you know anything about telescopes and how they work, the hoax clues are obvious in all the FAST 'space machine' videos. It's all been documented on the earlier thread/threads and can be found with an appropriate search.

I may try to upload my SLOW videos somewhere less public than YouTube so members here can watch them and judge for themselves. If I do that, I'll update this thread.


Jose also apparently released some stills that he claims came from JLW - they're complete fakes made by shaking the camera during a long exposure to turn pinpoint stars into funny looking shapes. I was able to recreate the latter myself.


Yes, bright stars and shaky optics are favourite methods for creating 'extratarrestrial lights'. I also produced a video explaining how the 'Stephenville Lights' were created using a video camera set to slow shutter speed. Again that's available for comparrison by going HERE

Remember, in that video you see Sirius at around 300x magnification, so the focussed light spot is pretty big, but you can see the effect of scintillation on the images. I had to thump my weighty Meade scope to make it vibrate in an attempt to duplicate the handheld effect. A cameraman's heartbeat also affects it.

Mr Escamilla and Mr Walson parted on bad terms after a public wrangle over money. Both parties vented their spleens on ATS and were eventually given a suspension/ban I understand.


The first warning flag went up when he posted images and videos that he claims show the international space station, when I know for a fact his stuff looks nothing like the real ISS as seen through a telescope. People on youtube have collective ooohs and ahhhhs to those videos not knowing any better. I have less enthusiastic responses to my own videos which really do show ISS (including one that, ironically enough, accused me of faking my footage). To be fair, many people do enjoy seeing the real thing, but truth isn't always as exciting as fiction.


All true. Mr Walson's 'ISS' was nothing like. All his 'space platforms' and 'black ops' are tinfoil and rubber bands. He tried to gain credibility by conning a well known astronomer (Dr John Mason) that his videos showed the ISS. Dr Mason later published a rebuttal on YouTube. The tricks are endless, but griddy does a marvelous editing job I'll give him that.

It's true also that most 'believers' much prefer to let their imaginations run riot than accept the mundane reality of stuff like this. Thankfully, there are a few scientists on ATS who are prepared to get their hands dirty and test the output of people like Mr Walson. There are enough strange things going on out there without the CGI cons and people trying to make money by hoaxing.

WG3





[edit on 22-1-2009 by waveguide3]



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 12:47 PM
link   

Originally posted by waveguide3
That was me.
I pulled them from YouTube because I'd used some commercial backing music. I got too wary of the copyright implications so took them down.
As a matter of interest, the 'S.L.O.W.' name I used was to contrast the 'F.A.S.T.' label used by Gridkeeper, who fronts Mr Walson's videos. The letters actually stand for 'Shedding Light On Walson', but I didn't state that in the vids.

Good to see you again wave, thanks for those videos, I love your acronym. You did the ATS community a huge service by exposing him. I'd love to see those vids again one day if you can ever repost them, perhaps with free or nonexistent music lol. I know that's a lot of work just to redo what you already accomplished though. The one thing I couldn't figure is how he was getting his fake models to reach focus, your mirrors solution was the missing link in my head. Needless to say, I've never tried to fake things in my scope before. His "donut ships" of defocused stars were obvious enough though, anyone who's ever used a reflector with a central obstruction would spot that in an instant. It's amazing how many people believed him considering that. Astronomy just isn't as popular as it was during the space race I guess.


There are enough strange things going on out there without the CGI cons and people trying to make money by hoaxing.

Agreed. Due to a family encounter, I originally came here much more inclined to believe alien encounter stories than I do now. The prevalence of hoaxes has increased my general distrust and made me much more skeptical, which is probably a good thing.

[edit on 23-1-2009 by ngchunter]



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 03:51 PM
link   

Originally posted by ngchunter
Good to see you again wave, thanks for those videos, I love your acronym. You did the ATS community a huge service by exposing him.


Thanks. However, I think ATS had effectively exposed the hoax and banned Gridkeeper before I even uploaded my own versions. I guess I put the cap on it so to speak, but I'm sure people will keep resurrecting Mr Walson as a brilliant scientist/astronomer. It's not possible to quell the desire for mysteries especially when you have little understanding of the science behind it.


I'd love to see those vids again one day if you can ever repost them, perhaps with free or nonexistent music lol. I know that's a lot of work just to redo what you already accomplished though.


I'll try to get them up again. I seem to have lost the final version of the first one, but I have a shorter version. There are three SLOW videos.


The one thing I couldn't figure is how he was getting his fake models to reach focus, your mirrors solution was the missing link in my head.


It could be done with enough work space. You really need a hundred meters or more to do a neat job with a 10" Meade. Mr Walson's is only an 8" - in spite of claims to have upgraded to a 12", which is patently rubbish. The mirror did two things actually. It gave the added distance, but equally important provides the multiple image all the FAST 'space ships' have. All those videos show a focal range effect consistant with images located one behind the other. The thickness of the reflection mirror/window glass controls that.


Agreed. Due to a family encounter, I originally came here much more inclined to believe alien encounter stories than I do now. The prevalence of hoaxes has increased my general distrust and made me much more skeptical, which is probably a good thing.


Yes, I'm a sceptic searching for the truth. I'll not be convinced about anything ET till I get a proper capture through something like the Meade. Anything less than that are just spots and lens abberation in my view.

WG3



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 04:13 PM
link   

Originally posted by waveguide3
You really need a hundred meters or more to do a neat job with a 10" Meade. Mr Walson's is only an 8" - in spite of claims to have upgraded to a 12", which is patently rubbish.

I have an 8" Meade as well, but until very recently I've never had the kind of workspace needed to do that without mirrors. Living in condos and apartments will do that to you - also makes astronomy into a parking lot activity. As you can imagine, that made my astrophotography attempts pretty "interesting."

[edit on 23-1-2009 by ngchunter]



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 06:05 AM
link   



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 03:28 PM
link   
Glad to see both ngc and wave with logical answers due to the fact that they both are familiar with telescopes and imaging. When I first ran across the "F.A.S.T." images on Rense's site (which I avoid now) I knew immediately they were bogus. Not because I'm an expert with my scopes and cameras....but because I actually have a little experience doing some real imaging. If a person isn't familiar with using telescopes and CCD's then how can they begin to have the first hint of what's normally seen?

For goodness sakes....just point any mediocre scope at a star and rack the focuser in and out and you'll get the same basic results (IMHO).

Just my 2 cents...basically Walson's "work" was offensive to me as astronomy and my attempts to image is an enjoyable past time. His "work" is kind of insulting to anyone with a little common sense.

Tonight I'll go out and defocus a street light a mile or so down the road and post the results if it's not too cold



new topics

top topics



 
25
<< 7  8  9    11  12 >>

log in

join