John Lenard Walson was told by MIT he is seeing some of their Star Wars
satellites.
He posted the letter.

So MIT recognized what was in the JLW videos.
So whats the problem.

JLW thinks they are space ships anyway.
I say Tesla beams but he will hear none of it.
Which would be Star Wars stuff.
That would be the problem, Star Wars stuff in orbit.

I also said space ships though.

Walson is a known fraud, fake, and a liar, and people should please stop posting his crap over and over again. He and many of his people have already been banned from here over and over again.

Can you provide links to articles, police reports, etc...

reply to post by All Seeing Eye

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Do a search. I am not obligated to provide you with anything. There are already many many threads about this idiot and his money making schemes on this forum.

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Nice collection of strange things in orbit.
They are in videos that can not show what the satellite looks like.
Like NASA can.
But NASA shows us art work any way.

It must have been a let down for all those 60s artists on the
Moon project when the hype stopped and they had to endure
the 70s.

Here we are in the 2000s and whats NASA gonna do now.
Let more artists go.

Thanks for posting these, I had totally forgot about it.

Wasn't it Fox Mulder who once said, "I want to believe"? I'm there now. I want to believe, but after all the hoaxes on the forum, after all the money making schemes etc, I've grown very weary and very skeptical about a lot of things, on this forum and other places.

Now, back on topic. I wish Jose would just bite the bullet and release the plans for his device. Something like this should be shared, with everyone, without monetary gain.

We need to move forward Mr. Jose, help us along and release to the public what you really know!

Peace,
FK

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There is no device. There used to be some videos on youtube called S.L.O.W. where someone else with a similar telescope recreated the videos perfectly by using some mirrors and illuminated tinfoil twisted into various shapes. Jose also apparently released some stills that he claims came from JLW - they're complete fakes made by shaking the camera during a long exposure to turn pinpoint stars into funny looking shapes. I was able to recreate the latter myself.


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Thanks ngchunter, that explains a lot.
From previous posts:
"... release the plans for his device. .."
"There is no device"
.. Yikes.
No wonder JLW was p o 'd.
Well time to move on to new adventures.
On to the next video and photo hoax.
I see the conspiracy world is grabbing on to straws on youtube
trying to make old conspiracies out daily news events.

JLW's discovery was showing photos and videos on youtube.
I had a mild telescope and photo aspiration years ago but
now a days the video is in. And I guess JLW did it.

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The first warning flag went up when he posted images and videos that he claims show the international space station, when I know for a fact his stuff looks nothing like the real ISS as seen through a telescope. People on youtube have collective ooohs and ahhhhs to those videos not knowing any better. I have less enthusiastic responses to my own videos which really do show ISS (including one that, ironically enough, accused me of faking my footage). To be fair, many people do enjoy seeing the real thing, but truth isn't always as exciting as fiction.

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That's correct. There is no optical device made by Mr Walson or anyone else that can do what he claims. It's all flim-flam.



That was me.
I pulled them from YouTube because I'd used some commercial backing music. I got too wary of the copyright implications so took them down.
As a matter of interest, the 'S.L.O.W.' name I used was to contrast the 'F.A.S.T.' label used by Gridkeeper, who fronts Mr Walson's videos. The letters actually stand for 'Shedding Light On Walson', but I didn't state that in the vids.

I'm not inclined to get into further discussions on these vids or my explanation of them. Suffice it to say if you know anything about telescopes and how they work, the hoax clues are obvious in all the FAST 'space machine' videos. It's all been documented on the earlier thread/threads and can be found with an appropriate search.

I may try to upload my SLOW videos somewhere less public than YouTube so members here can watch them and judge for themselves. If I do that, I'll update this thread.



Yes, bright stars and shaky optics are favourite methods for creating 'extratarrestrial lights'. I also produced a video explaining how the 'Stephenville Lights' were created using a video camera set to slow shutter speed. Again that's available for comparrison by going HERE

Remember, in that video you see Sirius at around 300x magnification, so the focussed light spot is pretty big, but you can see the effect of scintillation on the images. I had to thump my weighty Meade scope to make it vibrate in an attempt to duplicate the handheld effect. A cameraman's heartbeat also affects it.

Mr Escamilla and Mr Walson parted on bad terms after a public wrangle over money. Both parties vented their spleens on ATS and were eventually given a suspension/ban I understand.



All true. Mr Walson's 'ISS' was nothing like. All his 'space platforms' and 'black ops' are tinfoil and rubber bands. He tried to gain credibility by conning a well known astronomer (Dr John Mason) that his videos showed the ISS. Dr Mason later published a rebuttal on YouTube. The tricks are endless, but griddy does a marvelous editing job I'll give him that.

It's true also that most 'believers' much prefer to let their imaginations run riot than accept the mundane reality of stuff like this. Thankfully, there are a few scientists on ATS who are prepared to get their hands dirty and test the output of people like Mr Walson. There are enough strange things going on out there without the CGI cons and people trying to make money by hoaxing.

WG3





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Good to see you again wave, thanks for those videos, I love your acronym. You did the ATS community a huge service by exposing him. I'd love to see those vids again one day if you can ever repost them, perhaps with free or nonexistent music lol. I know that's a lot of work just to redo what you already accomplished though. The one thing I couldn't figure is how he was getting his fake models to reach focus, your mirrors solution was the missing link in my head. Needless to say, I've never tried to fake things in my scope before. His "donut ships" of defocused stars were obvious enough though, anyone who's ever used a reflector with a central obstruction would spot that in an instant. It's amazing how many people believed him considering that. Astronomy just isn't as popular as it was during the space race I guess.

Agreed. Due to a family encounter, I originally came here much more inclined to believe alien encounter stories than I do now. The prevalence of hoaxes has increased my general distrust and made me much more skeptical, which is probably a good thing.

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Thanks. However, I think ATS had effectively exposed the hoax and banned Gridkeeper before I even uploaded my own versions. I guess I put the cap on it so to speak, but I'm sure people will keep resurrecting Mr Walson as a brilliant scientist/astronomer. It's not possible to quell the desire for mysteries especially when you have little understanding of the science behind it.



I'll try to get them up again. I seem to have lost the final version of the first one, but I have a shorter version. There are three SLOW videos.



It could be done with enough work space. You really need a hundred meters or more to do a neat job with a 10" Meade. Mr Walson's is only an 8" - in spite of claims to have upgraded to a 12", which is patently rubbish. The mirror did two things actually. It gave the added distance, but equally important provides the multiple image all the FAST 'space ships' have. All those videos show a focal range effect consistant with images located one behind the other. The thickness of the reflection mirror/window glass controls that.



Yes, I'm a sceptic searching for the truth. I'll not be convinced about anything ET till I get a proper capture through something like the Meade. Anything less than that are just spots and lens abberation in my view.

WG3

I have an 8" Meade as well, but until very recently I've never had the kind of workspace needed to do that without mirrors. Living in condos and apartments will do that to you - also makes astronomy into a parking lot activity. As you can imagine, that made my astrophotography attempts pretty "interesting."

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Glad to see both ngc and wave with logical answers due to the fact that they both are familiar with telescopes and imaging. When I first ran across the "F.A.S.T." images on Rense's site (which I avoid now) I knew immediately they were bogus. Not because I'm an expert with my scopes and cameras....but because I actually have a little experience doing some real imaging. If a person isn't familiar with using telescopes and CCD's then how can they begin to have the first hint of what's normally seen?

For goodness sakes....just point any mediocre scope at a star and rack the focuser in and out and you'll get the same basic results (IMHO).

Just my 2 cents...basically Walson's "work" was offensive to me as astronomy and my attempts to image is an enjoyable past time. His "work" is kind of insulting to anyone with a little common sense.

Tonight I'll go out and defocus a street light a mile or so down the road and post the results if it's not too cold