Thanks for the input Melbourne_Militia.
Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
By the end of the next 2 week period this will explode, our fuel prices will almost double overnight. There will be panic buying of fuel everywhere as
people will expect supplies to quickly dwindle.
Personally I believe that price spikes that would accompany a war would be largely related to gouging, and I think they've realized that they really
can't take us for much more than 4.50 a gallon unless they can provoke the US government to suspend gasoline excises.
Driving us into a collapse really isn't the most profitable option unless the goal is not to gain wealth but to begin a depopulation/power
I rule out that kind of spike from legitimate fear for the simple reason that the battle of Khafji represented a more serious threat than the current
situation, and the spikes still weren't quite as severe as what we're talking about now. (At the time of the Iraqi attack on Khafji, it was not
known that the gulf war would be a cake walk, and had the Iraqis won at Khafji, they would have secured an extremely large share of Saudi Arabia's
Why cant we all just get along????????
I say this in good nature and mean no offense, but when people suggest that we can all get along I sometimes wonder if they've ever met a human, much
less an American.
Humans are extremely aggressive animals, and Americans are better at it than most. Off the top of my head I can name 21 nations we've attacked in 231
years, not counting native Americans, sponsored coups, proxy wars, repeats, covert operations, or American freebooters. When you factor in repeats
alone we average better than 1 war every decade.
And people are honestly asking if we have the capacity to get along?
Don't get me wrong, for all of America's imperfections (which are not ours
), in our finer hours there aren't many better friends to have or many better places to call home- I'm not gonna get on that whole
"greatest nation" kick, I'm just saying you won't catch me packing my bags.
But that being said, if there was a guy in my town with a record like America's, if I ever saw him around, I'd start swinging and just assume that
it was self defense.
How would I handle the situation?
I think if America wants to get out of this without firing a shot, it has got to be willing to be more
belligerent than usual actually. It
sounds funny, but hear me out.
If you talk a good fight to a little guy who's got a big friend with him, his friend will try and back you down. If you swing on the little guy, his
friend will hit you back.
The only thing giving the little guy the ability to start trouble is the support of someone stronger, and that supporter is usually acting on the
assumption that he won't get hurt. This means that he believes you will either back down, or hit his friend, and if you hit his friend, he's gonna
hit you, and he's starting with the upper hand.
The key to the situation is to make it clear that the only way for the supporter not to get hurt is to not support any belligerent action by his
You ignore the little guy and you ask the big guy if he's really feeling froggish or if he just wants to protect his friend, and voila, the cards are
all on the table and the facilitator of the whole conflict now sees a vested interest in deescalating the situation.
America's play here is to threaten Russia and China, and offer them a way out. You two are enabling Iran, you two are the root of the problem America
is facing, and if Iran wants to dance, it's you two who are gonna have to pay the fiddler.
Now instead of all three of us destroying eachother's economies and risking a nuclear war, how about the three of us agree to a complete embargo of
both Israel and Iran until both nations have disarmed and admitted inspectors, at which point we will be willing to sign non-aggression pacts with
Iran, Russia, and China which include both a promise from Iran never to attack Israel and a promise from the United States, Russia, and China to
defend Iran against any Israeli aggression.
You can have peace, or you can have war- there is no third option, no acceptable losses, no proxy war, no limited warfare- I'm offering you what you
want on reasonable terms, and I'm willing to fight if you insist on unreasonable terms. Sleep on it and call me tomorrow.
It's not as if we've never sat down with the Russians before and talked turkey (with a capital T somtimes). It was tense but it worked during the
cuban missile crisis. Somehow America has forgotten both the importance of incentives and the importance of addressing consequences to the truely