To those survivalist willing to fight the government...

A fair post, but one that is posted by someone who hasn't actually worked with UN troops.
I have, they are practically useless unless you use American or British troops to bolster them.
Believe me, we Brits have long memories and I can see a big 2 fingers going up if the UN told us we'd be deploying to the USA again on a 'peace-keeping role or otherwise'.
All other nations tend to be a lot more defensive and hate to go on the offensive. The reason? It's a lot more dangerous to go out and look for the enemy than it is to sit tight and do nothing in the bases.
Think I'm talking bs? Look at where all the major operations in Afganistan and Iraq are happening and look which nationalities are doing the offensive work. It is almost always Brits or US forces.
You want to see how effective the UN is at even being a defensive entity?
Then just look how the Dutch failed at doing that in Srebrenica, Bosnia.
And I'd wager that the local populace in the States would be a lot more defiant than meek civilians in Bosnia.

Being a soldier fighting civil inssurection is a major head-ache, the enemy is hidden and won't fight conventionally.
The Northern Island conflict would be a paradise compared to an army trying to pacify a US population.
A survivalist wouldn't have to fight. But he/she wouldn't have to co-operate either.
It's not rocket science to fight against an armies infrastructure.

If you want a historical example, just look at your very own war of independence. You fought against a government then and pulled victory out of the bag.
But it seems that threads like this bring out a fair few defeatists in you.

You all seem to forget one thing. A Government that is hell-bent on taking over its own population does not have to play by the rules. Do you think the Nazis in WW2 played by the rules with their own populace?

No matter how many of the populace has guns, only a small minority will actually use them. How so you say!

If the Government Forces drag your kids or wife out onto the street and threatens to shoot them, how quick are you going to be in surrendering your arms?

It would only need one small town to have its women and children massacred like the above scenario for the rest of the country to cave in.

Remember, everyone has a weak spot. The key to any force is to exploit it.

I don't know what Type of fantasy , movie bs is is playing in your heads , but this my friend is NOT reality. People in the Military are "PEOPLE" not mindless robots with blind obedience to orders... the reason It is easier to kill in other countries of other ethnicities is because the people are dehumanized... They are seen as animals and not humans like you or I , thats why they are given ethnic slurs. Ask yourself... is it harder to kill mohammed father of 2 boys and one girl who is happily maried and is a farmer...or that "Dirty Haji"? Its like hunting , only the prey shoot back. now take these same folks into anytown usa and have them shoot at people that speak in their drawl weather it be "Nawlins" , "Bah-ston" or New Yahk... and shoot at people that look like themselves. psychologically it becomes harder. In addition the federal government and the military don't intergrate smoothly. let alone the military by itself (anyone ever involved in CAX or Rimpac) can attest to that. SO now you are going to have small municipalities , county sheriffs , state police , national guard , Marines , Soldiers , Navy ,AF & coast guard all going by the same playbook?... not to mention the alphabet gangs CIA , NSA , FBI... our government is NOT that structured. I've been in the Marine Corps and my job was 0231 (Intel) , I've also worked for the local Sheriff's Department as a corrections officer. So on paper I probably look like "One OF Them" when I am anything but. Most people in the military and law enforcement are normal folk like you and I , It is actually a small percentage that could be catagorized as psychotic and actually enjoy killing. (SOCOM and other assorted operators)... My Loyalty (like most of us) is to my family and their protection at all costs. And yes I would lay my life down to protect them.

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Joe Blow Redneck ain't stupid enough to pull a frontal assault on men armed with fully auto weapons. He's going to be set up just below the crest of a ridge in full hunting camo or from a blind with his quad setting out of view of the ambush for his getaway. He's going to take 1-5 shots with scoped bolt action rifle firing .300 WSM from 400-600 yards with his buddies sitting at 90 degrees from Blackwaters flank spraying them with covering fire. He will kill or wound with every one of his shots while his buddies spray the flank of the Blackwater goons. 20-30 seconds later, it's over and he's gone leaving more than one Blackwater Merc dead or bleeding.

JBR will be ex-Army or Marine infantry or Air Force Airbase Ground Defense with 2+plus tours of Iraq or Afghanistan. There are 24 million US vets and at least 10% were frontline combat troops from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Iraq/Afghanistan. Not some dress wearing jihadist bent on his own death.

The wannabees might get themselves killed fighting like the Jihadists but many veterans will plan an execute hit and run ambushes on Blackwater with little or no fear of casualties.

Blackwater was given protection and immunity from the Iraqis by the US military. They'll have no such protection in the US. I know quite a few Marines and Army infantry troops who really hated Blackwater for their butt clown behavior which only made things tougher for the Marines/Army to deal with once they skeedaddled back to the green zones. I've heard of at least one little band of Blackwater merc's who didn't make it back to the Green Zone but there wasn't any insurgents in the area on the way back if you get my drift.

Post removed because I've decided not to support this type of speculation that can be used for the wrong purposes.

[edit on 24-9-2008 by verylowfrequency]