Ninth entry - Heflin photos (1965), page

A slightly longer article, this time (hopefully) complete with centred images - thanks to the tip from WOS.

This one relates to photographs taken by Rex Heflin in Santa Ana, California on 3 August 1965.

All the best,

Isaac

that last "smoke ring" photo is a man made entity.

here are 2 shots of them my friend todd took the last time we camped in the black rock desert. another camper named mark was creating these large and sooty rings. really cool to view live.







[edit on 12-05-2006 by zooplancton]

[edit on 12-05-2006 by zooplancton]

Originally posted by zooplancton
that last "smoke ring" photo is a man made entity.

Zoo, I want to point you to page 36 and 37 (see link below) of the Druffel/Wood/Kelson analysis in which computer enhancement shows the smoke ring beginning to form behind the object in photo 3, and in which the particulate formation matches that of the smoke ring in photo 4, just as Heflin described it. This is a very important finding in that no state-of-the-art enhanced enlargement of this phenomenon using the original photographs was previously done.

Druffel/Wood/Kelson analysis

Zoo, I want to point you to page 36 and 37 (see link below) of the Druffel/Wood/Kelson analysis in which computer enhancement shows the smoke ring beginning to form behind the object in photo 3, and in which the particulate formation matches that of the smoke ring in photo 4, just as Heflin described it. This is a very important finding in that no state-of-the-art enhanced enlargement of this phenomenon using the original photographs was previously done.

Druffel/Wood/Kelson analysis

thanks for the point out on this. but the photo you are referring to is a different type of thing altogether. the first two rings are my photo - then your referring photo, then the different one from page 36. the entity on poge 36 of the pdf is not one of these rings.




then helfin:




then the pdf page 36 photo:



that last image (on page 36) is something else. (ufo)

my post was just to point out that in the original posting, those "rings" are a simple man-made entity. just trying to help in the big picture here.

Originally posted by yuefo
I'm sorry if I'm being a huge pain in the butt

Not at all. I appreciate your comments. They've been polite, sensible, and informed. Even if I don't entirely agree with them, I can certainly understand and respect your view.

I'll incorporate your comments, unless I can persuade you to have a go yourself (see below).

As for editing it myself, I don't want to step on your toes, I assume you're posting your entries for suggestions/opinions

I did indeed post my entries for suggestions and opinions - but I'd be more than happy for you to incorporate your suggestions yourself rather than having to persuade me.

I really want to encourage other members to post to, or edit, the Tinwiki.

I'm putting a fair bit of time into certain Tinwiki entries so that I can do an article for the ATS weekly newsletter which (amongst other things) seeks to encourage people to at least look at the Tinwiki (in case they don't know it's there) and make them at least think about adding to, or editing, it.

I'm not claiming, and don't particularly want, some sort of ownership of the entries that I've been drafting. They are a gift to the ATS community. As with all Tinwiki entries, they should be viewed as a starting point in relation to each of the relevant cases - not as something set in stone, only to be varied or supplemented by me or someone with the title of "Tinwiki Editor".

Some kind of permission and qualifications are required to be an editor, and I believe I read it involves submitting 10 entries.

One of the editors will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you are talking about the title of "Tinwiki Editor" [a bit of ATS bling bling] rather than actually being an editor (in the sense of actually being able to edit).

Can I encourage you to try an edit - even a small one? Apart from answering any doubt about whether you have permission to edit, that first step might give you the encouragement that you need to do more.

How about trying an edit on the Heflin photographs that we've been discussing?

Use the link in the line above, click on "edit" at the top and then scroll down to the bit that you want to edit. You'll see the formatting commands that I've used [which are largely pretty basic, other than centering images etc].

To be specific, you could:
(1) scroll down to the external links section, and (probably above the link to the NICAP website) add a direct link to the Druffel/Wood/Kelson analysis. You can see the format used to add a link by looking at the other examples in that section.

(2) only slightly more ambitious, add a new para (probably where the "References to discussions in books" para is at the moment), to deal with your concerns, e.g. a short section entitled "The Skeptics - A rebuttal" or something that suits the content that you add (or you could add some comments to the relevant existing sections on each skeptic). Again, you can see the relevant formatting command [which is basically putting "==" before and after the title of the new section, and simply typing the relevant content].

If you mess things up, no problem. One of the regulars (or me) can sort them out (or simply undo them).

[Typing the above has taken longer than making the edits would take - but I think it is worth trying to encourage you (and anyone else reading this thread) to have a go].

Really, it isn't as hard as some people seem to think (or, indeed, as hard as I thought before I gave it a try).

So, have I managed to persuade you to try an edit (or, for that matter, a new entry)?

Well it'll be a while before I have the time and discipline to do that!

*Cue an impersonation of Marvin the Paranoid Android, from "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"* "Time, don't talk to me about time..."

Besides, you're taking all the really cool cases!!

I don't think so. Not yet anyway...

Seriously, I have several lists of cases which are not covered in the Tinwiki yet and it would take a heck of a lot of time for me to write entries for each of them by myself.

I mentioned above an article that I'm planning to submit to the ATS newsletter - that newsletter is about 10 photographic cases. I want to include links to relevant Tinwiki entries. One existed at the beginning of last week, I've now added 5 - so that leaves 4 just for the purposes of the article that I want to submit now. [Let's put to one side for now the article that I've written about the "Top 100" UFO cases, based on frequently of discussion in a sample of UFO books...]

If anyone reading this thread wants an interesting case to try out an entry, I'd be more than happy to provide the name of a case plus a few details which I've already typed up (including a few references to discussions in books, links etc). It would probably be easier to send such this material by email, but I could probably do it by U2U.

Kind Regards,

Isaac


[edit on 2-9-2007 by IsaacKoi]

yuefo,

I just want to confirm what IsaacKoi said that Editor is a status that can be given to a user account, whereas working on tinWiki pages is open to all, even those who aren't registered users at all. If you have access to a button, basically that means you are free to use it. Certain features like deleting a page are restricted, and so are only possible to use if one's account has the necessary status -- but if you find you can see and use some feature, it's just to go ahead (with good intentions, naturally).

Let me also just mention there is a test page called Sandbox where people can try out how writing tinWiki pages works. I would say that writing wiki pages is a little different from writing ATS posts, but not that much. (I'm talking about the formatting codes and that "technical" part of it now...)

Anyway, I hope you'll like what tinWiki works like and is all about and so on, and if there's anything you feel unsure about, feel free to ask and I will do my best to inform you. One way of contacting me is my discussion page (click the plus sign to post).

By the way, there are a couple of statuses a user account can have which mean access to certain "sensitive" features that aren't good to make available to just anyone who visits the site. What I can do with my user account's Editor status is use automatic move feature (to move an entire article, including its version history and discussion, to a page with another title), delete an entire page, use an automatic rollback feature to revert edits by vandals and spammers, block a user from editing, and perhaps a couple of other things I can't remember right now. What all the other user account statuses are called I'm not entirely sure, but they have more features and are held by those who have more responsibility, like for example Wiki Master William One Sac.

But, again, the basic thing of writing and working on articles, and discussing articles, that is what is the normal use of tinWiki and that is open to absolutely all.

Those who want more responsibility and who want to do perhaps some more chores, so to say, beyond the normal use can let William One Sac know, I read in the Help pages, and so can be considered to get access to do some things like what I mentioned, moving an article (to another title) and so on.

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