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UK Gun Crimes Soar After Gun Ban

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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 05:19 PM

Quoting Brad Pitt's Achilles character in one of the opening scenes from the movie "Troy":

"Is there no one else?"

posted on Jan, 29 2008 @ 02:21 PM
I had to jump on when I came across this thread in Google.

Fraser Institute is a far right-wing organization in Canada. It is not "objective" in the sense that respected research institutions publish them.

The Australian government shows a rather flat / downward trend in homicide over the last 15 years and I'd tend to believe them over a fringe think-tank, if I were you.

Australia, UK, and the US have all seen their violent crime rates decline from their peaks in the late 80s / early 90s. This seems to be part of a general demographic trend.

Fraser Institute is incorrect when they claim the US is declining while everyone else is increasing. The US has actually seen a reversal since 2004, with 3 consistent years of sharp increases in violent crime. This is not an increase shared by either the UK or Australia, as both of those countries have continued to show improvements in reducing violent crime.


posted on Jan, 31 2008 @ 05:34 PM
VCR act that was recently introduced has also made things worse for legitimate users of replica firearms, it banns the sale, manufacture or import of Realistic Imitation Firearms, air guns basically.

Though you can still buy air guns you have to go in a whole roundabout way of doing it and most places (online anyway) wont sell you anything unless you on (yet another) database. And that's only a solution for airsofters, there's no identifiable way yet for film makers or performers to get rif's.

So if anyone says it doesn't hurt the law abiding citizen then think again.

in the mean time anyone who is willing to break the law can quite easily go into the city and by the end of the day have any weapon they want imitation or real. Even the law abiding citizens know where to go to get illegal weapons.

these laws do nothing to stop the sale/use of illegal firearms and never will.

posted on Feb, 8 2008 @ 03:57 PM
You can't legislate civilised behaviour, this is something that socialists will never fully understand.

Some draconian measures are required to restore order in the UK, heavier policing presence, mandatory prison sentences for even petty crime, a massive prison building program, restrictions on immigration, the reinstitution of boot camps, rollback of the welfare system etc etc etc.

Since all that will never happen, the social decline will continue unabated, increasing gun crime is just a minor facet, I wouldn't pay much attention to it, it really has nothing to do with the gun ban, which was a pointless political knee jerk reaction to "nutter with a gun" syndrome.

Watch the emigration statistics, in years to come, the UK could well become the next South Africa. I'd strongly recommend getting a college degree, otherwise there will be no escape for you.

[edit on 8-2-2008 by Retseh]

posted on Feb, 20 2008 @ 01:39 PM
Recent legislation in the UK has effectively made more criminals, only this time, the criminals are those who manufacture movie props and collectors of replica (Or even toy) guns.

Under the VCR Bill, those involved in the popular sport of airsoft who wish to purchase airsoft guns (Air or gas powdered BB guns designed to be used in paintball type games) are now required to be placed on a database of UK simulation combat players, and by law, the seller must check the database to see to see if the buyer is a member of a registered airsoft club (Plastic Imitation gun club). The same Bill also made sending airguns via mail order illegal.

First of all, why is a street thug going to buy a plastic £300 battery powered BB gun? Second, wouldn't that £300 be spent on drugs? Or not even exist in the first place?

Most likely, once this is seen to be ineffective at stopping gun crime, a total ban on anything that has a handle will be brought in, and since those who play airsoft are registered on a database, a knock on the door may come very soon.

Also, for those of you who collect swords or study Kendo, you may not like this proposal:

UK Sword Ban

Would you have imagined all this back in 1997?

[edit on 20-2-2008 by Spreadthetruth]

[edit on 20-2-2008 by Spreadthetruth]

posted on Feb, 26 2008 @ 01:37 PM
These figures are a little misleading, here's some more info:

* The Home Office says that the increases are partly due to changes in the way crimes are recorded and much of the increase can be put down to a huge jump in offences involving imitation weapons.
* Imitation weapons were used in 3,332 offences in 2004/05, an increase of more than half (55%) from 2003/04. Although some of these weapons can be converted to fire bullets, it is unknown how many such weapons exist.
* Ball-bearing (BB) guns are easy to purchase and often look like real weapons.
* Also, gun crime tends to be focused in certain areas. Over half (54%) of gun crime occurred in London, Greater Manchester and the West Midlands.

And gun crimes still account for a very low proportion of both crime generally and violent crime in particular.

* The British Crime Survey (BCS) estimated that there were 2.4 million violent incidents against adults in England and Wales in 2004/05.
* The BCS also estimates the total number of crimes to be about 11.7 million.
* So, gun crime amounts to less than 0.5% of violent crime and less than 0.01% of total crime.


Bit of a different picture when ALL the facts are presented.

posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 11:01 AM
Since we so often argue in the US that guns don't kill people, people kill people, I don't see any direct causal link between firearms seizure in the UK and rising crime. I think there's a much bigger picture to this of which the firearms restrictions represent a very minor portion.

Liberal thinking, which has reached unheard of levels in the UK, dictates among other things that punishing children is bad, self defence is just another type of violence, criminals should be re-educated and not incarcerated, and that if you surround people with compassion they will become compassionate. Part of the anti-violence deal involves the seizure of firearms and a blanket ban on all types of hunting, even fishing ultimately. This thinking also mandates that the rich should pay for the poor to exist, particularly when it comes to funding them to have even more children, further weakening society with ill-educated and often violent individuals - so tax levels tend to be crippling for the well off, who work harder and tend to have fewer children, shrinking the positive elements in the gene pool at the expense of those individuals with recessive traits, I believe you call them CHAVs.

Liberals don't understand human nature, pure and simple. They are generally intelligent people, who have little understanding of the real world, some call it common sense. It is this suite of doomed policies that has caused the UK's woes, and the US is slowly slipping down the same slope - maybe.

The road to recovery for the UK would involve measures that are too draconian for the mainstream to stomach, there is also the spectre of the European Union hanging over any policy change. Fundamental redirection such as stricter immigration policies and reintroduction of the death penalty would never make it into law. So I think the society that exists there today, is here to stay, I really don't see any way back. In the same callous way that you will see time lapse arrest photos of Meth Amphetamine users as they degenerate over the years, we need to watch this process in the UK, and learn from it.

posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 04:29 AM

Originally posted by electronQMI'd also like to point out that if you ban guns, not only will most gun owners be criminals, all gun owners, by definition, will be criminals.

The world's governments are ruled by criminals. Those governments have banned so many things that are good for the security of common-folks. Righteous & unrighteous people like to use guns against their enemies.

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