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Navy Submarine Base Under the Nevada Desert?

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posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 05:35 PM
Yeah, the Glomar Explorer. It was built by the Hughes Corporation for the CIA to recover the K-129. They claim they only got the forward torpedo compartment, or a small section of the bow, but at a meeting between the Soviets and US during the 1980s the ships' bell was returned. The significance of this is that the bell on this class of boats was located around the conning tower. I believe on this particular boat is was on the aft section of the tower.

posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 12:15 AM
Per John Lear: the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Hawthorne Nevada access the West Coast using underground elevators and train.
John also spoke of a vast underground train and tunnel system used by the military.
Do these tunnels connect to the NIDS Ranch in the Uinta Basin in NW Utah and to Dulce New Mexico?
The Ranch and Hawthorne can be connected by a direct line heading NNE from Hawthorne to the Ranch. Dulce forms a lower point of a triangle SSE from Uinta Basin and SE from Hawthorne. (Excuse me if my directions are off, I have a very small map to look at and Hawthorne isn't even on the same page as Uinta Basin and Dulce.
Is it possible that these three areas are part of the underground tunnel/train/waterway network?
I believe the Navy and possible Naval activity was mentioned in info about the unexplained phenom at the NIDS Ranch.
Certainly similar unexplained activities have occurred near Dulce and the Uinta Basin. (Also prob in the whole SW region) Have similar unexplained phenomena occurred near Hawthorne?

posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 02:35 AM
Okay Okay John seeing as you won't link to it I suppose I shall have to..
And we have permission from John Rhodes on his portion...


Originally posted by antar
Thanks John I have been looking for the link to those pictures for a long time. First saw them on Eyes behind and then couldn't find them again. These pictures are the correct answer to many questions asked here.

That one from the Air Force pictured is actually a Diesel version...(you can see the rusty exhaust) To melt rock you need an atomic powered one....

I don't have time to copy post all the data so you will have to look at the link

But here are some highlights ....

Map of the tubes Rand Corporation 1972..

Published openly in the LA Times 1972...

Here is a really big one...



Method and Apparatus for Tunneling by Melting

Publication number: US3693731
Publication date: 1972-09-26

Abstract of US3693731
A machine and method for drilling bore holes and tunnels by melting in which a housing is provided for supporting a heat source and a heated end portion and in which the necessary melting heat is delivered to the walls of the end portion at a rate sufficient to melt rock and during operation of which the molten material may be disposed adjacent the boring zone in cracks in the rock and as a vitreous wall lining of the tunnel so formed. The heat source can be electrical or nuclear but for deep drilling is preferably a nuclear reactor.


Apparatus and Method for Large Tunnel Excavation in Hard Rock

Publication number: US3885832
Publication date: 1975-05-27
Applicant: US ENERGY

Abstract of US3885832
A tunneling machine for producing large tunnels in rock by progressive detachment of the tunnel core by thermal melting a boundary kerf into the tunnel face and simultaneously forming an initial tunnel wall support by deflecting the molten materials against the tunnel walls to provide, when solidified, a continuous liner; and fragmenting the tunnel core circumscribed by the kerf by thermal stress fracturing and in which the heat required for such operations is supplied by a compact nuclear reactor.


Apparatus and Method for Large Tunnel Excavation in Soft & Incompetent Rock or Ground

Publication number: US3881777
Publication date: 1975-05-06
Applicant: US ENERGY

Abstract of US3881777
A tunneling machine for producing large tunnels in soft rock or wet, clayey, unconsolidated or bouldery earth by simultaneously detaching the tunnel core by thermal melting a boundary kerf into the tunnel face and forming a supporting excavation wall liner by deflecting the molten materials against the excavation walls to provide, when solidified, a continuous wall supporting liner, and detaching the tunnel face circumscribed by the kerf with powered mechanical earth detachment means and in which the heat required for melting the kerf and liner material is provided by a compact nuclear reactor.

RAND Document No: P-4874 Year: 1972 Pages: 17
Title: The Very High Speed Transit System.
Author(s): Robert M. Salter
Keywords: Air pollution; City planning; Pollution; Urban transportation
Cover Price: $20.00

Defense Technical Information Center
Accession Number: ADA032172
Citation Status: ACTIVE
Title: The Very High Speed Transit System,


Personal Author(s): Salter,R. M.
Report Date: AUG 1972
Media Count: 19 Pages(s)
Report Number(s): P-4874 (P4874)

RAND Corporation Document No: P-6092 Year: 1978 Pages: 35
Title: Trans-Planetary Subway Systems: A Burgeoning Capability.
Author(s): Robert M. Salter
Keywords: Railroads; Tunnels; Underground structures; Urban transportation
Cover Price: $20.00

Note: This one does NOT come up at DTIC - may not be available for public release

The essence of the idea is to dig a tunnel more or less along the present routes of U.S. highways 66 and thirty. The tunnel would contain several large tubes for East West travel of trains that float on magnetic fields, moving at top speeds of 10,000 mph. Passengers would faced forwarded during acceleration, backward during deceleration. According to R. M. Salter Jr. head of the physical sciences department at Rand, the idea of high-speed train travel using electromagnetic suspension was first put forward in 1905 and actually patented in 1912.

The tubes would be emptied of air, almost to the point of vacuum, so the trains would not need much power to overcome air resistance. They would not even have to be streamlined. In addition to an electromagnetic roadbeds, the opposing electromagnetic loops of wires in the floors of the gondolas would be super cooled with liquid Helium to further eliminate electrical resistance.

"Each would use power generated by trains going in the other direction." That is the way trolley cars have operated for eighty years"

"After the tunneling was finished, everything else would be practically free."

"The technology of this is much easier than was developed for the space program."

"Approximately 8000 miles of tunnel were dug in America and Western Europe in the 1960s."

All the links to data and the patents etc are available on our website

And while I was 'snooping around... I found a few other interesting items related to one of John's other favorite topic...

Moon Bases....

RAND Document No: N-3280-AF/NASA Year: 1992 Pages: xxiii, 94 ISBN: 0833020099
Keywords: Electricity in astronautics; Space vehicles--Auxiliary--Power supply; Extraterrestrial Bases --Energy consumption
Cost: $ 35.50

[edit on 26-10-2007 by zorgon]

posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 08:48 PM
While I subscribe to underground Naval bases, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, for some reason I can't swallow a tunnel system. Don't know why not, it makes sense that is could be feasible.

But I do not think they have the atomic, melting boring machines yet,. Just because there is a patent for several versions does not mean that the machines was actually designed and built. Do you realize how many patents there are? And how many are nothing but paper tigers? Corporations are huge into paper tiger patents, even on things they have no intention of following up with a mechanical product. It's just good business.

But good detective work digging that stuff up, makes for some interesting reading and at least illustrates that if you can imagine it, someone probably already has a patent on it, lol.

posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 11:12 PM

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
While I subscribe to underground Naval bases, as I mentioned earlier in this thread,

LOL that's funny... because so far I haven't been able to dig up much on that one

I would however be interested in your reasons for 'subscribing' to that particular theory

posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 06:41 PM
reply to post by johnlear

On 01-09-07 @ 07:58 (page 3) in your response to a post by Kr0n0s, you said:

In my opinion one or both were lost in the sea under California and Nevada either to disorientation or hostile action.

The words 'hostile action' prompted me to ask the question regarding an enemy sub. It made me think, about how crazy it would be if one of our subs had a 'Gun-fight at the OK Corral", only hundreds of feet under the ground.

posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 12:18 PM
This is a small request to Mr Lear.

Please could you put a placemark on Google Earth to show where this submarine base is located. (Assuming it is not top secret and no rules are breached)

Thank you.

posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 12:34 AM
keep up the good work that you are doing John Lear

posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 08:00 PM
This story may be relevant.

I once attended a small presentation at an art school. a rep from a firm that made 'honeycomb' materials. They were at the time making equestrian equipment and padding/pillow for paraplegics with this stuff. The rep came to speak with the Industrial design students. Basically he was pushing the materials they manufactured.

He was bragging saying this material is great for pillows as it breaths well so paraplegics don;t suffer from as many sores from sitting all the time. the hexagon created natural strength, light weight, durable....etc etc. sell sell

What was most interesting is that he said his resume included the Navy. He claimed the navy used his materials to coat the outer walls of submarines as it made the sub appear to be a whale when pinged by sonar. sounded intriguing though if an enemy sub detected a whale the size of some of these nuclear subs they would be a little suspicious anyway.

John, you've spoken a great deal about minisubs. This honeycomb material tech seems to be more applicable to these.

As far as the company manufacturing this stuff, I can't remember the name. I remember clearly the rep droning on about equestrian saddle gear and paraplegic pillows. This may make him easier to track down.

This presentation took place in california in 2005

ps. I forgot to add...some of the more durable materials were honeycomb sandwiched between two solid layers. the empty cavities of the honeycomb could be filled with any gas you like.

[edit on 11/30/2007 by SholaHopper]

posted on Nov, 30 2007 @ 08:44 PM
reply to post by Tom Bedlam
I grew up near the missippi and we used to go to this place in the bluffs called blue pool it was mabey a few hundred yards from the river, the pool always had blue water hence the name, but what was most intriging was that the claim was it was bottomless attempts to drain it after a drowning was to no avail. they pulled train cars from it and never drain or found a bottom to it as far as i know it has been 20 years since i been there tho.

posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 01:09 AM

Originally posted by SholaHopper
What was most interesting is that he said his resume included the Navy.

PSSTTT Wanna buy some honeycomb material? I got their PO #

RS-3 Carbon Fiber Honeycomb Material. Prepared for:. Clarence Korendyke. Naval Research Laboratory. Code 7662K. 4555 Overlook Avenue. Washington D.C. 20375
Reference No.: NRL080502-6
Purchase Order: PO20020945

The United States of America as represented by the Secretary of the Navy .... 1 thermal barrier 10 which comprises flame retardant honeycomb material

Interior upholstery adhesively bonded to the honeycomb material completes the thermal barrier ... Corporate Author : DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY WASHINGTON DC

Army Technology - AS 565 Panther Multirole Light Helicopter
259 AS 565 Panthers have been ordered: 181 army and 78 naval versions. ... fibre reinforced plastic spar and are filled with a Nomex honeycomb material


NASA also has some...
McDonnell's Gemini heatshield was made of a Fiberglas honeycomb material

...and did you know the Buran Russian Space Shuttle Hull did as well?

[edit on 1-12-2007 by zorgon]

posted on Dec, 1 2007 @ 02:46 AM
reply to post by zorgon

zorgon, all I can do is smile

posted on Dec, 17 2007 @ 11:47 PM
Mr. Lear

I am currently in the process of planning a trip to numerous ghost towns in the Nevada region starting from Las Vegas up to Hawthorne and maybe to Walker Lake. It was primarly going to be a ghost-town expedition, but after reading about this I am curious. I think that I may make a slight detour to do a little investigating. Are there any places in particular that you might recommend?

posted on Jan, 13 2008 @ 06:03 PM
It is becoming stranger and stranger and I am close to the point that I feel disgusted. Are there no normal trustworthy people in the top of the US government or army? One cover-up has not been fully explained or an other is showing on the surface. Do those people get horny if they can create a new secret or are they money or power crazy? Why has everything wonderful or out of this world need to be a secret for those people? Can you imagine that if there is a cure for cancer there are people who want it to keep a secret? Or keeping a new, cheap and clean power source a secret? These people responsible are sociopaths and because they are well educated, rich and in powerful places the people around them do not see this or do not dare to make a difference.

posted on Jan, 13 2008 @ 06:31 PM
reply to post by zorgon

This is a classic "Zorgon post" I've come to appreciate and love so much. He is so handsomely consistent in this approach of posting 100% irrelevant photos and info in pretty much every thread that it almost inspires a certain kind of respect.

Next time we discuss some alleged footage of space aliens, Zorgon will probably post pictures of Elmo and other Sesame street characters. By golly these are real. This time, though, he chose to post an assortment of pics of various tunnels and plans for a large scale futuristic maglev train between NY and LA. Sure, Zorgon, this must explain why we can expect a nuclear sub to surface from a pond next to Bellagio casino in Vegas, any time now. Sheesh.

posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 03:58 PM
The 'Trieste' went down 10,000 feet, shot some pictures and stated that "its too deep, we can't get down to it." No one asked them the question as to why not since they had been down over 35,000 feet in the Marianas in February of 1960.

Seven months later, our president was assasinated. Is there any possibility that thee are connected? Is there any connection between the Trieste and our now complete mapping of the floor of the oceans of the world for submarine traffic?

While things uch as these appear to be quite independent of one another, they along with some other interesting incidents could lead one to believe that there are things that are being covered up.

posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 01:31 PM
I live in the area and the local rumor is that the dissappearance of Steve Fossett has something to with him flying into the no fly area and seeing something he shouldn't. The majority of Nevada is a no fly zone.

An intresting fact is that 97% of Mineral County is Government owned.

posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
While things uch as these appear to be quite independent of one another, they along with some other interesting incidents could lead one to believe that there are things that are being covered up.

Hmmm well I will take a moment and check your 'tip' It has been my experience that a lot of things are linked together and it is the assembling of the puzzle that will give us the answers 35,000 feet in the 60's huh? Interesting

posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 03:07 PM
There is a giant elevator that goes down to sea level. Thats funny. I always wondered why Canada's main navy base is in the middle of the prairies.

posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 08:12 PM
What about the Great Salt Lake in Utah? What is the possibility of a connection from the Pacific?

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