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Controlling the media
So many phone lines and computers are within the NSA's possession (under contract from the actual owners of the phone lines which are technically linked to the Israeli Mossad through various Israeli corporate fronts) that almost half of the hackers within the United States are likely to be employees of the NSA, contracted, naturally. Not the phishers who are trying to get your credit card number, but the people committing to DDOS or Denial Of Service attacks which rendered al-Jazeera inoperable during the start, climax, and conclusion to the US invasion of Iraq. Because of their advanced computer sabotage technology, the NSA is also the source of many viruses within the US, not only because it employs a wide variety of computer geniuses, but also because it has such a far reach to many computer servers nationwide. These people systematically destroy attempts at liberalizing information at this level, and have even resorted to denying random users access to certain files available to most on the Internet. I, personally, get several hits from my own ISP and several random IP's and I am very careful not to broadcast my IP. Yet, somehow, within seconds of logging on I am under attack.
Originally posted by NetStorm
The No Such Agency as it is known in the intel groups, was created for one purpose and that purpose is to protect the security of the country.
Does it go overboard sometimes? Yes 99.9% of any organization at some time will. Would I prefer it not exist? No .
IMO unless you yourself are doing something that jepordizes the security of the US, WHAT do you have to worry about?
That they listen to you? I highly doubt that they devote much time to what you are saying UNLESS again, you are creating a threat to the US. I'm sure that most people here have a sometime used a scanner, you've heard portable phone calls, baby monitors etc, ever asked a cop friend to run a tag for you? How bout these "find anything on anybody" programs? Or better yet, how about keystroke programs that log everything that you do...these are available in the provate sector. ....does that make you like the NSA? As for hundreds or thousands of agents watching the NET, it's not efficient. Just attach to several nodes, and have a program that "listens" for you, then if something of interest pops up they can devote more attention to it.
Think what it would be like in this country , if we DIDN'T have anyone listening, or watching .
Again YES they do at times overstep their bounds, but I would think that those cases are few and far between compared to the items that we never hear about, that stopped someone from doing something crazy.
Originally posted by billybob
great post. the idea that a huge army of these people is needed is a red herring. a good meme loosed into the mass mind is worth three thousand drill sargeants shouting at the top of their lungs. people have no idea how impressionable their minds are.
constant vigilance is required to keep your own mind.
the group mind is the one 'they' are concerned about.
how do revolutions(hmmm? cycles.) start? seemingly spontaneously, but in reality a certain meme reaches critical mass within the group mind. this is the science of herding the masses. diffusing memes.
p.s. OF COURSE they are HERE.
Originally posted by watcher of the skies
from valdamaar valerians the matrix
an interview with a cia employee
Dont kid your self . this country is controlled by the pentagon. all major decisions are made by the military.
The cia 's just the whipping boy. NSA are the ones that have the hit teams.Look into there records-you wont find a thing. Look into their budget - you cant.
The cia is just a figurehead, but as far as intelligence goes,the nsa's far superior to them-far in advance in the black arts. the cia gets blamed for what the nsa does.nsa is for more vicious and far more accomplished in its operations. The american people are kept in ignorance of this- they should be ,too. What your saying is that the military is more dangerous to our democracy than the cia or other intelligence groups?
The cia gathers the information but the military heads the show.
What your are suggesting i guess is that there is an invisible coup d'etat' which has occured in the united states?
There is a group of eighteen or twenty people running this country. They have not been elected the elected people are only figureheads for theese guys who have a alot more power than even the president
Originally posted by Earthscum
If you look around on boards, you will notice stuff like what is common here... not a skeptic, but someone who will disclaim EVERYTHING with links to mass media-based debunking information. If it's in the media, it's gotta be true, right? So, no... there are no aliens, and there is no NWO, and Crop circles aren't real... the best one is "It has already been debunked! (**link**)". Not saying that every post like this is NSA, but in a 'round-about' way it is. NSA not only relies on in-house posters and such, but they rely upon mass-media TV and News to help support unwitting skeptics, and to help form more and more skepticism. It works.
Eavesdropping and Information gathering
My friend and I have been aware of this fact for years. When we chat, we don't even bother using l33tsp34k anymore, because they know and have it programmed in, as well as any possible misspellings and typos. They get alot of crap and have 'context' programs that compare info for validation. Once this info is validated, the entire text or conversation is 'hard copied' for review by a board of specialists. I found all this out on accident, and cannot find the link for it... I'd assume it has been removed by now and the person responsible has been "disciplined"... (was a clandistine site with docs and info on NSA stuff... came out about a year or so ago... was by NSA guy who was trying to register himself(?) so that if he disappeared there would still be record and all...)
Controlling the media
I get attacks every once in awhile (hence my thread "Keelynet down?". I get hit like this everytime I go on a scouting binge for alternative energy sites, and have been blocked from Tom Bearden's site(s), as well as ATS, and alot others. Also, I will notice alot more info going out during these times than normal, and have noticed stuff like my links not being moveable (cannot move, file is currently being used) during these times... it was an idea I had to see if I was being scanned since bookmarks are a good indicator of someone's intentions, and naturally an agency spying on your pute would definitly want your bookmark lists. On my newer, faster pute I cannot do this, and especially with broadband, so I just watch for clues like DOS and 404's then ask friend to access site and link me, which usually(not always) cuts the crap (not sure why though...). Read my post.
Anyways, that is about all I have on this... this knowledge is why I try to read as little as possible from mainstream media and just hypothesize stuff myself and discuss with other friends (some being people on ATS) to work out the wrinkles. Keeps my head from getting filled with garbage like the onslaught of info on aliens... so many stories, so many contradictions. Everything you want to know is readily accessible from your own head, you just have to know how to get it, especially in the case of religion (another thing being utilized for the purpose of population control). Call me crazy or whatever, but if people would take a month off from any information input (including religion), they would know this as well. I have my suspicions that Jesus disappeared into the desert for exactly that reason.
Originally posted by StarChild
posted on 3/17/2004 at 01:16
I don't understand why everyone makes a big fuss over the NSA. It is the computer corporations who pose more of a threat (as far as monitoring is concerned) than any three letter agency.
Take Microsoft for example. All they have to do is implant monitoring devices within every computer system they sell, and boom! Everyone with that software is being monitored continuously! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.