Allah is NOT Some Pagan Moon God

Allah was in existence long before Islam. Arabs worshiped 360 idols; each clan had their own idol to worship. Muhammad’s grand father Abdul was of Mecca clan and also the custodian of the 360 idols. They all worshiped idols even to the point to Muhammad’s grand father naming his children after these idols.


Muhammad’s farther , Abdullah meaning servant of Allah. Muhammad’s uncle, Abdul manaf,, meaning servant of manaf. Abutalib , meaning father of talib.
They were all clannish idol worshipers. Islamic scholars try so hard to hide that there darling little Muhammad worshiped idols before and after he made the claim to been a prophet. Muhammad also wanted to unite all Arabs, but could not carry all 360 idols . So he picked one. The one his dear old daddy was named after. Allah. Most of the idols ended up been destroyed according to Muhammad. About 4 idols are said to still remain in the ka’aba. it is NOT the same god. Notice the crescent moon on every thing Islamic
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Nobody disputes that Allah was there long before Muhammad. Even the Medinite Jews called God Allah. Since Muhammad came AFTER his grandfather and father, I don't see what their names have to do with it. Since Muhammad said that part of his mission was to bring back the people from polytheism, I don't quite see what their names have to do with it.


Since all these people were born long before Muhammad, I don't see how it is relevant. In fact, I don't even know why you included Abu Talib (who's real name was Imran, the Abu Talib nickname coming from the fact that his son's name was Talib). Many of the people who became muslims (and who had questionable names, like Abdul Shams--Servant of the Sun) changed their names when they converted.



Even before Muhammad became a Prophet, he didn't worship any idols (I don't understand how you came to that conclusion from the information you posted). Muhammad's father died before he was born, so I don't see what his father's name had to do with it. There are no idols still remaining in the ka'aba (they were all broken), and the crescent moon came much, much later (the Turks took it as a their national symbol, and they ruled most of the Islamic world for a while).

You know, I really don't mind disagreement, or debate, but it troubles me when information is mixed up and mutated. Three points to clarify:
* Allah was worshipped in the Ka'aba as the head god (like Zeus in the Greek Pantheon).
* According to Islam, the Ka'aba was built by Abraham as a shrine to Allah. Over time, the arabs added more and more gods to the place. Part of Muhammad's mission was to bring back the worship of the One True God.
* Allah was not related to the crescent moon. That was Hubal.

Sources? The Kabaa is cleaned out every year, and all Muslims are given a chance to see what's inside. There is an oil lamp in there (to see in the dark), but no idols.

The crescent moon has already been covered by me, in this exact same thread. Look up the moon of Constantinople, if you choose to ignore what I wrote.

While i agree there is some common ground in the fundamentals of our religions, i happen to believe Allah in reference to the Islamic God a False God. While we have common beliefs we do not serve the same God, My God (christian) is not the Muslim God. Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God, Muslims believe Jesus was just a prophet. Muslims deny the atonement of christs death on the cross for the salvation of the soul. Muslims shroud themselves in works in hopes they make it to heaven. Christians know that they are going to heaven simply by believing, salvation is not by works but by grace through faith. Mankind has been handed mercy, you don't work for a gift it is given without a price, our good works is a result of the our salvation, our new creation the new spirit which is created in us which is perfect. Its our mind and our body we have to contend with.


Keeper

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Muslims worship the same God that Jesus worshiped. The same God Abraham and Moses worshiped. In Judaism, they do not worship Jesus, and yet Christian believe it's the same God written in the Torah.

Christianity started as two belief systems, followed by sub-categories. The two were a unitarian belief system and the other a trinitarian belief system. The unitarian system followed Jesus, but did not worship him. The trinitarian on the other hand believed in the concept of the trinity, and taught that Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost were one in the same.

Though, Jesus was not referred to as "Jesus" till the Trinitarian movement took hold and wiped out competition from the unitarians. The current title "Jesus" and "Christ" had been created from the Greek title "Ze Zeus" and "Christos", literally meaning "The God Anointed." Current day Greek Greek-Orthodox Christians still refer to Jesus as "Zezeus." This title was given to him to signify him as God, by the trinitarian Christians. The Unitarian Christians still refered to him by his Hebrew/Aramaic name Essau.

When you say that Muslims do not worship Jesus, you are correct, because through the trinitarian belief system, and not the unitarian belief system, Jesus is God, worships God, is the son of God, and died as God.

Muslims believe that God has no equal, no offspring, cannot die, and worships no one. The early unitarian belief system is similar to the viewpoint of what Muslims believe in Jesus. The Quran teaches that all of God's prophets are of equal importance, and any servant of God cannot uphold one prophet over another. Muhammad is no greater than Moses, Jesus, or even Isaac. They are equal. To view Jesus as the better and as God, is something that is not allowed, because it would be associating an equal to God.


"Muslims shroud themselves in works in hopes they make it to heaven. Christians know that they are going to heaven simply by believing"

If this were true, then anyone who believes without doing good works would go to heaven, regardless of any evil deeds they commit. Following God's commandments, doing good in this world, and abstaining from sin holds no relevance in weighing whether one makes it into heaven or not?

The simple belief in God, or Jesus in this matter, is not enough for current day Christians. I have been to Churches that require Christians to give away their wealth to the Church, to have a place in heaven.

[edit on 15-8-2008 by DJMessiah]