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posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 09:53 PM
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I think the business about the God of Qur'anic religion being "the moon god" is actually a polemic derived from the alleged satanic verses, the "missing verses of Surah 53:19-20, which allowed muslims to pray to three goddesses, as well as to Allah. The three goddesses were considered daughters of the moon.

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Wikipedia article on the Satanic Verses in Qur'an


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[edit on 1-9-2007 by dr_strangecraft]




posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 10:09 PM
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Regardless of what anyone may or may not believe, the Archaeological facts are there...

The proof has been established...


Ur (ancient Babylon) has several examples of moon-god worship. More portable objects have been removed from their sites and are held by the British Museum in the Babylonian Room. Many small statues have been excavated and identified by inscriptions found on them as ‘daughters’ of the moon-god. Archaeologists working in modern Iraq have discovered and recorded thousands of inscriptions on walls and rocks indicating that Allah, the moon-god was regarded as the ruler of the gods at the time of Nabonidus’ reign. Archaeological evidence is overwhelming that the Allah of Islam is directly descended from the ancient moon-god deity represented in rock and picture by a crescent moon.


Archaeology Expert

Just a simple matter of reading the factual evidence. Anything else is pure speculation and subject to the speculators personal biases..

Semper



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 10:38 PM
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I thought it was understood among Jews, Christians, and Muslims that we worship the same God.

The hard to get part is why people who love the same God hate each other so much.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38
I see little, if any, difference in the basic message given in the Q'uran, the Hebrew OT and the Christian NT...



Hi Queenie,

This might just be the root of one of your problems.......as I can assure you the Koran is nothing like the Old and New Testament.




posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 10:52 PM
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Grady,

I agree with you as far as the present situation goes...

My only disagreement is the obvious dismissing of factual evidence to "Rewrite" history in order to support a belief system...

The facts are what they are...

Along the lines though of what your saying, I have never been able to understand why Catholics and Protestants are always at it...

But it seems to be the historical pattern


Semper



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by CSkys
Why does anyone argue over GOD?

You should watch this movie, because.... RELIGION IS MIND CONTROL



I think it's terribly sad that so many people hate and die over religion.

[edit on 8/31/2007 by CSkys]


me too. but then, people hate and die over a lot of things. YOu know, when you think about it, we're in a pretty negative space.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
Regardless of what anyone may or may not believe, the Archaeological facts are there...

The proof has been established...


Ur (ancient Babylon) has several examples of moon-god worship. More portable objects have been removed from their sites and are held by the British Museum in the Babylonian Room.


Archaeology Expert

Just a simple matter of reading the factual evidence. Anything else is pure speculation and subject to the speculators personal biases..

Semper


Thanks for setting the historical record straight.

I've come to the conclusion that a great majority of the more energetic posters hereon tend to fall into two groups . . .

1. Those who pontificate wholesale primarily out of their emotional biases and pretend--indeed--seem to BELIEVE that such ARE FACTS and that all the other simpletons in the world just haven't recognized their brilliant appreciation of the facts yet . . .

and

2. Those who require to view something at high noon with 12 co-witnesses--several pairs of which are specialist experts in the various factors of the phenomena being viewed . . . and all of whom meet immediately and compare high quality digitized photos and videos in HDTV . . . and come to an absolutely unanimous chorus of absolute agreement on all the details of the witnessed event . . .

or else it just AIN'T SO.

Sigh.

Life is pretty complex . . . and, as my Mormon Bishop dissertation chairman said . . . just about any cockamaymee explanation will do.

While I don't agree with him theologically--he had a point.

But sheesh . . . so much of what gets fiercely posted as absolute proven facts . . . is raw emotional bias with little more than hostility toward the opposing perspective to support it.

In this case, the stars for the OP are numerous beyond belief--if one wants to try and coorelate the number of stars with some sort of objective merit of a post . . .

While your quite factual posting putting the OP's nonsense contention to a merciful quick death . . . has at last check 2 stars, of which I'm responsible for one.

This NWO rush to homogenize and blackwash particularly Christianity seems to have a lot of followers here.

And, the Jihadis and other Muslims have played fast and loose with their history for centuries. The whole structure is given to adhering to the pontifications of the personally most respected local Imam or most currently widely, locally acclaimed Imam . . . or the loudest, or shrillest or bloodiest or some such. History be flushed, or at best mangled all out of recognition.

The behaviors you cited along with the history of the name Allah should have given all such ranting posters cause for contrition and apology. But I won't hold my breath.

The tribal religions and worship behaviors wholesale were carried over into Islam . . . add in a good deal of plagirizing; some homogizing; a LOT of political waring conquest and rationalizations for same . . . pretend one's arrogance is equal to God's blessings on Abraham, Isaac and Jacob . . . and one is off and running with a grand new coercive and very bloody social force to be reckoned with. Won him a lot of territory at the time. And threatens lots more even now.

Anyway--thanks for facts--accurate, historical facts.

Blessings,


[edit on 1/9/2007 by BO XIAN]



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 11:16 PM
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I don't worship your god(s), but setting that aside, why can't they get along period? Oh I think I may know...because religion does not emphasize unity, it emphasizes segregation.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by WiseSheep

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Allah is Jesus.


Negative. The Muhammadites will happily tell you that 'allah' has no son.


Quite so. "Allah Akbar!" means Allah ak bar which at its Semitic root means: God is without a son or rendered more colloquially "God has no son."



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott


I thought it was understood among Jews, Christians, and Muslims that we worship the same God.

The hard to get part is why people who love the same God hate each other so much.


That's just it........the same God is not being worshipped. No way, no how, no chance that the Jew.....the Chosen People and apple of Gods eye worship the same god that is trying to wipe them from the face of the earth.

Use common sense, if nothing more.



posted on Sep, 2 2007 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis

Along the lines though of what your saying, I have never been able to understand why Catholics and Protestants are always at it...

But it seems to be the historical pattern



Let me offer a clue. The Catholic church has not recognized the nation of Israel....The Crusaders always attacked the Jews....What side was the Vatican on in WW2, the Nazis, the haters of the Jews.

Once you understand who Mystery Babylon of Revelation is, it all becomes very clear.



posted on Sep, 2 2007 @ 12:49 AM
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Hubal being named Allah or Al-Ilah doesn't proof that it is Muhammad's God .
An Arab who will worship any greater god will call it Al-ilah (the god) or allah (god) . The moon cult was abundant , but there were other cults that they had their own "allahs" or "gods" .
Muhammad pointed to the pagans that they're worshiping Allah's creation instead of Him , and explained them how they'll know Allah and His attributes .
The first thing in Tawheed (Oneness of Allah) is that :
"Allah is distinct from His creatures and the creatures are different from Him. Whatever could be called a thing is a creature except Allah Who is the Creator of all things. Holy is He for Whom there is no similarity and He is all-hearing and all-aware." Al Kafi Ch2 h4

If Allah is distinct from His creatures
and
the creatures are different from Him
and
for Whom there is no similarity

Then it is non sense to claim that Muhammad's God is a pagan moon god while Islam consider the moon as one of Allah's creation , especially when mentioned in the Quran that it have been split as a miracle . Have Allah split Himself ?



posted on Sep, 2 2007 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by Pellevoisin

Quite so. "Allah Akbar!" means Allah ak bar which at its Semitic root means: God is without a son or rendered more colloquially "God has no son."


Actually akhbar means "great", from the root word kabir meaning "big".



posted on Sep, 2 2007 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix
This might just be the root of one of your problems.......as I can assure you the Koran is nothing like the Old and New Testament.


Sun, the fact that you consider me to be misled and deceived because I do not line up with what you believe to be true does NOT actually constitute the existence of a problem in my life.

IOW, you thinking I have 'problems' is actually YOUR problem, not mine.


But I love you, anyway.



posted on Sep, 2 2007 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by AnarShia
How a religion that is full of such hadiths (narrations) can be accused of worshiping a moon god , by taking an ottoman symbol as a basis for this claim , the crescent , which isn't even a full moon ?!


Heh...if we are using islamic sources, there is absolutely no doubt that Allah is not the moon god:


Surah 41:37
Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun and the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.


Simple Simple!



posted on Sep, 2 2007 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
Coming from a steadfastly religious family partially rooted in Arabic culture I think I can say this:

Allah, the God of the Muslims following the Islamic faith is not some pagan moon god or any other pagan god.

From the Arabic speaking Christian perspective, Allah is God. Allah is the Holy Trinity. Allah is Jesus. Allah is the Holy Spirit. Allah is all that is divine.

From the Arabic speaking Jews, Allah is synonymous with Yahweh, the one and only God of the Hebrews.

And yes, somewhat separately, Allah is the Islamic all supreme being of the Islamic faiths.

While there are many things that set our faiths apart, there are many more that unite our faiths. I DON'T advocate some disingenuous union that means nothing, but I do think we should all emphasize our similarities over our differences. I think if we get cool minds and actually do that, we will all find we share much more than we disagree on.



You are right. He is the G-d of Abraham. Islam belongs to the Abrahamic Faiths. I recognize Allah as the G-d of Abraham.

I read my Holy Bible, Holy Qur'an, and my Siddur (prayerbook) and the G-d of Abraham is shared by all.

The G-d of Abraham is not a moon god, as you clearly stated. I think it is bad when people believe that the G-d of Abraham is a pagan god. To me, whomever thinks the G-d of Abraham is a pagan god is committing nothing short of blasphemy.

The Abrahamic Faiths come from Abraham, and those of us who are part of these faiths are his seeds.

love, light and peace
Allah Hafiz



posted on Sep, 2 2007 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Pellevoisin

Originally posted by WiseSheep

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Allah is Jesus.


Negative. The Muhammadites will happily tell you that 'allah' has no son.


Quite so. "Allah Akbar!" means Allah ak bar which at its Semitic root means: God is without a son or rendered more colloquially "God has no son."


Interesting.

Just ran up on a couple little clips on youtube too. They are only ten minutes so I'll let them explain themselves.





A child of Abraham indeed!



posted on Sep, 2 2007 @ 06:35 PM
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in my native tongue of maltese "alla" (not sure on the spelling here, but it's pronounced the same way) means... god...
and it's a majority catholic country.

are the catholics of malta worshiping a pagan moon god?



posted on Sep, 2 2007 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
in my native tongue of maltese "alla" (not sure on the spelling here, but it's pronounced the same way) means... god...
and it's a majority catholic country.

are the catholics of malta worshiping a pagan moon god?


No..........all regions had their own "alla"(your spelling) or chief god. It is the moon god that became the Allah of Mohamed.

The Catholics are not worshipping the moon god. Unfortunately a little research will uncover Sol Invictus however.



posted on Sep, 2 2007 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by WiseSheep
Just ran up on a couple little clips on youtube too. They are only ten minutes so I'll let them explain themselves.


Oh no, it's venomfang...

That dude is crazy. Here's my prophecy, the guy will go postal before he reaches 60...

Madness, check out his evolution vids for a laugh sometime. He's like concentrated ignorance. Keep it to one a day, the brain can recover the brain cells, heh.

Anyway, allah = moon god. Who knows. I think they all derived from earlier gods. Evolution of memes in action.

Isn't YHWH suggested by some to be an old nature god. Speaking in thunder and shooting lightening about? A bit like Zeus...

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