Why don't Palestinian's just declare itself an independent state?, page 1

I found this article (link below) dated January 10. 2004.
"Palestinians insist on right to declare state"
Link:
nation.ittefaq.com...

Excerpt:

"A top Palestinian decision-making body on Saturday voiced its right to unilaterally declare a state in the West Bank and Gaza amid Israeli threats to take stand-alone measures of its own.
The executive committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), in a Friday meeting, also named Arab East Jerusalem, seized by Israel in 1967 and annexed in a move rejected internationally, as the capital of a Palestinian state.
"The Palestinian leadership, in line with international legitimacy and signed agreements...has the right to declare a independent democratic Palestine on all the territories that were occupied (by Israel) since 1967," the PLO executive committee said in a statement.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has said he would pursue a unilateral plan to quit parts of the West Bank should a U.S.-backed "road map" to peace collapse. The plan would leave Palestinians with much less territory for a state than they would get through negotiations, he said.
Responding to Sharon's threats, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurie on Thursday raised the possibility of opting for one state with equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis.
Qurie's proposal and the PLO Executive Committee statement underscored Palestinian concerns over Sharon's unilateral plan.
Zalman Shoval, Sharon's foreign policy adviser, on Saturday rejected both Palestinian moves, saying any declaration of a state without an accord "would be in clear violation not only of international law, but also of the road map, which the Palestinians have supposedly accepted."
"Any unilateral declaration of this sort would not be recognized by the international community and would also necessitate appropriate counter steps by Israel," he told Reuters.
PLO executive committee member Qais Abu Layla said that the Palestinians statement intended to show support for a two-state solution and did not necessarily mean Palestinians would exercise their right to declare a state."


With the above mentioned restraints and constraints, why wouldn't the Palestinian's not just go ahead and declare themselves an independent state?
In hindsight, this worked for Israel when they 'crossed' the diplomatic road and decalered their independence in 1948. In doing so though, they had to fight all their neighbors and then some, to make the state a reality, but nonetheless, its feasible that it could also work in the case of the Palestinian's, could it not?

They would obviously be supported by some to many Arab nations, thus protecting their national sovereignty.

What would this entail, fully?

Since Israel only incorporates roughly 30% of the area known collectively as "Palestine," TransJordan, all of which, is covered or included in the British Mandate, wouldn't it be prudent and just that those Arab countries (Egypt, Jordon, Syria) that also control or have parts of "Palestine" give those lands to the Palestinian's to be added to their existing 'state'?

In declaring their Palestinian state, wouldn't it be also prudent that ALL terrorist(s) organizations be made to disarm or be dismantled/eliminated completely and permanently by the Palestinian's?

If not, then in declaring their state, they would be agreeing or allowing themselves to be held accountable for the terrorist activities that originate within their respective border(s)....correct?

Would Israel possibly allow this?

Here are two maps I found, one covering the Sykes-Picot Agreement of/in 1916:
www.dartmouth.edu...

And one covering the Palestine Mandate at the San Remo Conference of/in 1920-1922:
www.dartmouth.edu...



regards
seekerof

Well, well Arch, in your ambiguous comment, one would have to assume that since there was no "agreed" upon agreement, then what you are implying is that Israel abandon Israel? Correct?

I was not implying that. The last agreement was Oslo. Why not that line?

I don't think that the Palestinians would declare themselves an independant state until Isreal is no longer a state.

Does anyone remember when Arafat and Rabin signed an agreement on the white house lawn?




The above map was agreed upon. Israel was to have withdrawn behind this line long ago.

Sure, I'd take it but then again, if I would have been Arafat, I would have accepted the Camp David Accords which was to give the Palestinians 95% of the West Bank and Gaza and would have also given compensatory land for the 5% that would have been retained by Israel.
*edit* Forgot link:
www.adl.org...

But then back with Oslo.....
What of the PFLP, the PLO/PLA, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc. They reject the Oslo Accords.....
If Palestine and Israel went by the Oslo Accords, and measures were taken by Israel to meet the accords, how would rein in those above groups? Who would control them? Would they be dismantled or eliminated/disbanded? Would this ensure that terrorists acts against Israel would not continue, even with Israel building the wall on or within those agreed upon Oslo lines?



regards
seekerof

[Edited on 17-1-2004 by Seekerof]

Then you forget to mention that terorism again breaks out (massive suicide campaigns) in 1994........

There were only four attacks in 1994 after the agreement was signed, and only eleven attacks in the following three years. Hardly a 'massive campaign'

Source: Jewish Virtual Library:

www.us-israel.org...

[Edited on 17-1-2004 by ArchAngel]

Arch, admit it?
Please....I admit nothing that you don't and thats quite alot!

Like this:
"Today Hamas, Islamic Jihad and 87% of Palestinians openly declare their aim is to liberate all of Palestine, including pre-1967 Israel. The Palestinian Authority encourages Palestinians to wreak terror within Israel's 1967 boundaries."
Link:
www.adl.org...

I can provide countless others spoken claims by Arafat, PFLP, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, ETC. on this above sentiments and statements....countless!
You continue to avoid addressing this, why?

You know this is true, regardless of Israel being behind those lines or not......admit it yourself, cause I already know that there will be no real and true peace or settlement till Palestine addresses the issue of ending terrorism and the contiunued dogmatic doctrines of total eradication and destruction of Jews and Israel.

Isn't it interesting that when from the time that Egypt, Jordon, and Syria had taken or conquered the very same territories that Israel now currently has, courtesy of the 1967 war, those sameterritories were not termed nor called "occupied territories". Let me get this straight, Egypt or Jordon or Syria can rightfully have those territories without them being called "occupied" and yet, when Israel gains those territories, in the same manner that those three mentioned countries did, they are deemed appropriate to be called "occupied territories"? On top of that, the 'indigenous' inhabitants of those 'territories' were called Eygptians and Jordanians, or Syrians, but now that Israel has those "occupied territories", those inhabitants are called Palestinians....? Ironic, isn't it?
The West Bank (Yesha) was, in fact, an area of the British Mandate and accordingly, the Jewish settelements, according such Mandate provision and International Law would be legal....correct?



regards
seekerof

Originally posted by ArchAngel
Then you forget to mention that terorism again breaks out (massive suicide campaigns) in 1994........

There were only four attacks in 1994 after the agreement was signed, and only eleven attacks in the following three years. Hardly a 'massive campaign'

Source: Jewish Virtual Library:

www.us-israel.org...

[Edited on 17-1-2004 by ArchAngel]

Seems enough to constitute them (Israel) "dragging their feet" Arch.....certainly.


regards
seekerof

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