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Marine ordered to kill women and children

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posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 06:28 PM
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oh c'mon,! you realy believe these guys knowingly shot and killed innocent women and kids?


Yes, I do.

I've known a lot of soldiers, some were great guys, other were quite frankly total scumbags.
It depends entirely on the individual soldiers involved.

BTW this is not a case of news reporters coming up with unfounded accusations - the accused are Marines, the accusers are also Marines.

The case was originally brought to light by USMC officers who found inconsistencies in the after action report.




posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 06:49 PM
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VietNam was the same. Men, women, children and babies- shoot to kill.

My husband had to shoot a baby in his crib- he will NEVER get over that one. No wonder they're so screwed up when they get home, and screwier as they get older. These things, short of getting a lobotomy will never be forgotten and as a result these men and (their families) suffer trauma the rest of their lives..

I can tell a vet a mile away. Its very sad and its a shame.

The're ruined for life. They should be able to come back to intensive psycological programs where they are reminded thru therapy THEY'RE BACK AND ITS OVER. But they dont. They're left with their pain and sorrow to suffer forever.

Damn the government.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 06:49 PM
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VietNam was the same. Men, women, children and babies- shoot to kill.

My husband had to shoot a baby in his crib- he will NEVER get over that one. No wonder they're so screwed up when they get home, and screwier as they get older. These things, short of getting a lobotomy will never be forgotten and as a result these men and (their families) suffer trauma the rest of their lives..

I can tell a vet a mile away. Its very sad and its a shame.

The're ruined for life. They should be able to come back to intensive psycological programs where they are reminded thru therapy THEY'RE BACK AND ITS OVER. But they dont. They're left with their pain and sorrow to suffer forever.

Damn the government.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 06:52 PM
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Maybe that marine is lying, eh?



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 06:53 PM
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would you ike to explain why anyone would "have to" shoot a baby in a crib????
we are told to follow orders but not illegal orders. obvious ones like shooting a baby in a crib should not be followed.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 06:56 PM
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that is sick first the palastinian boy now i hear this makes me sick how these soldiers can be so sick and cowards god he should be hanged for war crimes



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by infiltr8u
reply to post by dgtempe
 


would you ike to explain why anyone would "have to" shoot a baby in a crib????
we are told to follow orders but not illegal orders. obvious ones like shooting a baby in a crib should not be followed.
I was not in Viet Nam. My husband was and he talks once in awhile about this and tears fill his eyes.
Cant help you with anything else. IF HE DID IT IT ORDERS HAD TO BE FOLLOWED, sadly enough. He's not a killer for the hell of it.

[edit on 31-8-2007 by dgtempe]



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 08:08 PM
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Wow just a bunch more of the anti USA rehtoric!!

You all just want a reason to hate the USA for protecting you!!!

EVERYONE here shold look a little deeper in to this instead of reacting to the head lines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll leave it at that!



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by redseal
Wow just a bunch more of the anti USA rehtoric!!

You all just want a reason to hate the USA for protecting you!!!

EVERYONE here shold look a little deeper in to this instead of reacting to the head lines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll leave it at that!
I suppose you have been at war, huh? If you havent i suggest you go to a VA clinic, or hang around downtown at the local VFW, or better yet, hang around the Salvation Army at mealtime!!!

No body is badmouthing the USA, i am speaking the truth. If you dont like it, consult with the above and see for yourself.

Right away it turns into an anti-Us this or that. War is hell, as they say and terrible things happen during war.

Dont tell me,. i live with a shell shocked Marine, so dont give me your BS.

Like i said, check before you post.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 08:26 PM
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When my father was in the Korean war, he said that their orders was to kill anything that move, my father said that at night that is what they did they shoot anything that made noises or moved.

In the morning they had to go out and find the bodies and in many occasions it was not just enemies bodies found in the field.

Now in this instance of the case in Iraq, this people had the chance to think their actions.

My retired marine husband said that they deserved the death penalty for what they did, is not excuses.

This bring to mind that the war in Iraq has nothing to do with their citizens well being, liberation or bringing democracy, this war is the biggest lie that our government has orchestrated against our nation and the nations it invaded.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 08:37 PM
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for some people war is just a job, difficult yes but still just a job, i put in the hrs you pay me for them. you keep it in your head like that and it makes it easier. for us it is easier to refuse an illegal order, the worst that can happen is i get fired, big whoopdy. for enlisted men they could get tried for treason, i still would rather take my chances and refuse an illegal order instead of having to deal with the big boss upstairs.

anyways, this is another reason our numbers are going up and re-enlistment numbers are going dooooown...



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by infiltr8u
for enlisted men they could get tried for treason, i still would rather take my chances and refuse an illegal order instead of having to deal with the big boss upstairs.

anyways, this is another reason our numbers are going up and re-enlistment numbers are going dooooown...
That's easier said than done, my friend. Try it with a bunch of troops looking over your shoulder and at best you will be laughed at, at worst, court marshall and time in the brig. AND a dishonorable discharge for refusing to follow orders....which means when you go home you're a piece of crap.
and i may add that the reputation and your records will follow you the rest of your life.
So, it isnt all that easy to do what is right with God.


[edit on 31-8-2007 by dgtempe]



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 08:55 PM
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Time to wake up out of the military-industrial complex' hypnotizing of the USA! This is an enormous evil, it really did take place, and there are others in addition in Iraq and in A'stan. Great atrocities are committed in the name of the people of the USA, and the horror of this is in no way diminished by the horrors perpetrated by the enemy.

The USA claims to be better than its enemies. The USA must be better than its enemies.

The USA must not become the very thing it hates, and that is what has been happening under George W. Bush.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 12:22 AM
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wow infiltr8u you sure know how to be romantic to a psycho, I dont care what country, what war and what scenario they are, there are rule of engaments, don't kill people without weapons, if these people were a threat to the army why not arrest them as a POW??



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 08:46 AM
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has anyone seen the video on youtube about us forces were given the all clear to spray some chemical weapon on fallujah in the massive battle there i got the link if anyone wants to see but its abit disturbing just ask if you want to its really sad how many civilians were killed and were said to be the enemy



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 12:53 PM
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I wonder how exactly we won the war during WW2 when American bombers were bombing men, women, and children with free will. O yeah I guess because not many Americans had television then so they wouldn't see the horror of war and beg that the war should be given up immediately.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 01:59 PM
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deltaboy
You do have a very good point there. The reality of war hasn't really changed, all that's changed is the awareness of the citizenry regarding the horror that's part and parcel of combat.

But there's still no justification for shooting unarmed women and children. That's just insane.

I'm gonna get a lot of flak for this comment, but it has to be said. The Marines of today are not the Marines of my father's generation. These guys can't hold a candle to the old guard.



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 02:44 PM
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sad to say but i will agree with you there will never be a generation greater then "the greatest generation" this includes te civilians that lived during the second world war. they didnt care if the president was democrat or republican, or how friendly our rules of engagement were, they all came together as AMERICANS and chipped in to defeat a common enemy.
compare it to today when you have senators calling our president a liar and scumbag... they should be tried for treason in my book. "you're either with us or against us" "if you're luke warm he will spit you out"
so on and so forth...

can you imagine if we had to fight the Germans or Japaese with todays generation??? might as well start learning their lnguage because i garantee you that they wouldn't be showing any mercy for our civlians.
like somebody said WAR IS HELL in hell innocent civilians sometimes die. remember hiroshima? do you guys think we shouldn't have dropped that bomb???? i would love to hear your thoughts on that one.



[edit on 1-9-2007 by infiltr8u]



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 08:40 PM
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There's no real comparison between the area bombing practiced in WW2 (seen as an unavoidable strategic necessity dictated by the technology of the time) and going into a house and shooting individual frightened civilian children in the face, sorry.

Try again


This has nothing to do with the generation involved, and everything to do with the war being fought. Americans came together in WW2 because there was no doubt we were dealing with a real threat - totally unlike Iraq. Anyone who thinks the war in Iraq has anything in common with WW2 needs to have their head examined.

[edit on 9/1/07 by xmotex]



posted on Sep, 1 2007 @ 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by infiltr8u
reply to post by WyrdeOne
 


sad to say but i will agree with you there will never be a generation greater then "the greatest generation" this includes te civilians that lived during the second world war. they didnt care if the president was democrat or republican, or how friendly our rules of engagement were, they all came together as AMERICANS and chipped in to defeat a common enemy.
compare it to today when you have senators calling our president a liar and scumbag... they should be tried for treason in my book. "you're either with us or against us" "if you're luke warm he will spit you out"
so on and so forth...

can you imagine if we had to fight the Germans or Japaese with todays generation??? might as well start learning their lnguage because i garantee you that they wouldn't be showing any mercy for our civlians.
like somebody said WAR IS HELL in hell innocent civilians sometimes die. remember hiroshima? do you guys think we shouldn't have dropped that bomb???? i would love to hear your thoughts on that one.



[edit on 1-9-2007 by infiltr8u]


"In 1945 Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives."[90][91]


General Dwight D. Eisenhower.

No, i dont think the bomb should have been dropped. His opinion carries more weight than yours.



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