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Possible Remains of Second Temple in Jerusalem

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posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
Could a reputable ATS Muslim give an answer to this (bodrul, djmessiah,etc)?




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The Islamic view of Jerusalem as a mystic city is not simply a view inherited from Jews and Christians, since Islam itself sanctifies Jerusalem. The major Islamic event with which the city is associated is the miraculous ascension of the prophet Mohammed to the heavens. The miracle is memorialized in two magnificent mosques on the Temple Mount.




to us muslims its where the prohpet ascended to the heavens
above site should give a clear understanding




posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 03:33 PM
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Cant we all just get along?

Instead of bickering with each other, couldnt all three religions construct a temple to the glory of god together, in the true spirit of the original temples?

With the technology today we could build something that will last forever, and everybody could live together in peace



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 04:24 PM
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Ah, Mohammed was a mortal man and a warlord, His wife stated many times that he was nothing more than a thug. He never performed any miracles yet muslims believe he was more god like than Jesus. When the great warning happens all will know who is in charge.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 04:42 PM
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Archette, Thanks for the link, fascinating stuff, and speaks to the whole renewed "diaspora" movement. A big portion of the end times belief centers around the Jews returning to their claimed ancestral homeland.

Someone asked about the link between Vyndl Jones and Indiana Jones, and it seems the whole topic is debatable at best...2 links, one Wiki and one rense.com, apologies but the site actually had a relatively good write up on him.

Wiki..
en.wikipedia.org...

and rense...
www.rense.com...

regardless of the the veracity of the story surrounding the character, this man believes it's possible to give the Messiah a helping hand as it were in selecting a time of return.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by DeepCoverUK
couldnt all three religions construct a temple to the glory of god together, in the true spirit of the original temples?


If you are referring to the "original temples" that are the topic of this thread then you are wrong in saying that they served any ecumenical function.


With the technology today we could build something that will last forever, and everybody could live together in peace


What, you want us to finish the Tower of Babel where it was left off? To suggest such a thing, you obviously aren’t a scholar of Judeo-Christian or Islamic religions.

Read the Bible and you wont find any warm and fuzzy ecumenical feelings other than the one in my sig., that "every knee shall bow" and dont think there is even anything warm and fuzy to that passage. Jews and Christians and Muslims don’t want to get along with each other, at least not the fundamental faithful ones; we want to see an end to each others religions (although to a much lesser or entirely different extent between Christian and Jew than those two and muslims.)






[edit on 31-8-2007 by cavscout]



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by DeepCoverUK
Cant we all just get along?

Instead of bickering with each other, couldnt all three religions construct a temple to the glory of god together, in the true spirit of the original temples?

With the technology today we could build something that will last forever, and everybody could live together in peace


This is a perfect example of how everyone thinks there religion is the correct one.


I am tired of all the dogma's religion produce and people follow almost blindly, but that is their choice to make.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by Realtruth
This is a perfect example of how everyone thinks there religion is the correct one.


Well of course they think their religion is the right one! Why would we follow the religion we think is the wrong one? You aren’t making much sense.


I am tired of all the dogma's religion produce and people follow almost blindly, but that is their choice to make.


And the same can be said of the non-religious. Big Bang, Darwinism, global warming caused by Carbon, the list goes on and on. Religion has no monopoly on blind faith. In truth, I believe mass worship in general is based less on blind faith than mass acceptance of science. Who really understands most of the scientific theories, yet you want those people to take what the scientists say on blind faith. How did go again? Oh yeah, that’s it:



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 05:53 PM
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science says 2+2 = 4. Dogma says there is a God and you must bow to him, Hmmm, interesting............................

I Hope this does start a war, and Nukes are used, then, when all the oil in that part of the world is radioactive the oil cartels fall, Humanity falls back into the stone age...

All the weak "metrosexuals" and religions will die off, THEN and only then can we make a world with a bright new future and erase the mistakes of the past


Unfortunately, this will Not come to pass, the world will end in a man made conflagration and the cockroaches get there turn to rule of whats left.

Enjoy the warmth of radioactive glow as you "ascend to heaven"

Just a shame your going to take me with you, how selfish of you



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by cavscout
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Read the Bible and you wont find any warm and fuzzy ecumenical feelings other than the one in my sig., that "every knee shall bow" and dont think there is even anything warm and fuzy to that passage. Jews and Christians and Muslims don’t want to get along with each other, at least not the fundamental faithful ones; we want to see an end to each others religions (although to a much lesser or entirely different extent between Christian and Jew than those two and muslims.)

[edit on 31-8-2007 by cavscout]


Nice, sounds like "my God is stronger than yours! And to prove it I will kill you!" Fascism!

IMHO, not much different between christianity and islam - believe or die!



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 06:03 PM
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I guess to wrap it all up neatly, the overarching story in all this is...mankind has though out history steeped this particular area in massive religious mysticism, messiah dying/returning, prophet ascension, and final conflict stories and beliefs it almost becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

I feel the end time events by whatever definition you subscribe, will play out in Jerusalem, mankind has inexorably driven world events straight to this city throughout our history.

I don't think it's beyond pale to believe we will meet our demise or glory , once again belief system driven, in Jerusalem.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 06:16 PM
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Found following video interesting in relation to the story ...

Jerusalem Temple: What is Brewing Beneath?


The Waqf Islamic Trust is digging a trench for electric infrastructure on the sacred Temple Mount. As in 1999, it is doing so without proper archeological supervision, and is potentially destroying priceless archeological artifacts. Infolive.tv went up to the Mount to try and film beneath the surface of the contested site, but was barred from doing so by the Waqf. Meanwhile, a group of Israeli archeologists has taken upon itself the task of sifting and sorting through the rubble discarded by the Waqf in 1999, during the renovations of the underground caverns of the Temple Mount.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 06:24 PM
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Update to the story...
www.breitbart.com...

seems now Israel would like to downplay the finds significance.

a quote from the link...
" Bahat (an archeologist, fmr official) said he would visit the site, but accused nameless archaeologists with a nationalist agenda of "waging a politically inspired campaign, systematically for several years, to strengthen Israeli control over the esplanade".

religion and politics...as always one or the other is the unstated agenda.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by Sky watcher
Ah, Mohammed was a mortal man and a warlord


And this has to do with the archaeological discovery, how?



His wife stated many times that he was nothing more than a thug.


Quote and source please.



He never performed any miracles yet muslims believe he was more god like than Jesus.


He performed many miracles, but we have never viewed him as "godlike" nor have we ever viewed Jesus as "godlike" either. I doubt you would say this if you had actually researched Islam rather than make up your own "facts." Muslims view all the prophets in the same respect, meaning we don't hold Muhammad over any prophet, whether it be Jesus, Adam, Moses, or Abraham.


To the people rejoicing over this, you do understand that you're happy that according to your scripture, this could lead to the end of the world, including the deaths of many people? Is that something you can be happy at?

[edit on 31-8-2007 by DJMessiah]



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by Sky watcher
Ah, Mohammed was a mortal man and a warlord, His wife stated many times that he was nothing more than a thug. He never performed any miracles yet muslims believe he was more god like than Jesus. When the great warning happens all will know who is in charge.


no facts what so ever
im supprised people stared it

as Dj said prove your theory
and Mulsims holding him higher then all prophets thats been explained in the above post



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by thedigirati

Enjoy the warmth of radioactive glow as you "ascend to heaven"

Just a shame your going to take me with you, how selfish of you


Bud, you’re getting all worked up over nothing. You haven’t been killed. No one has taken you with them. No nukes are falling yet. Don’t be such a drama queen.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by 2believeor0
Nice, sounds like "my God is stronger than yours! And to prove it I will kill you!" Fascism!


What does that have to do with fascism? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Oh, and my God is strong enough that I don’t need kill in his name to prove it. He doesn’t require that of me, only that I try to spread love everywhere, that I love everything, and that I don’t hurt those that don’t love me, even if they are hurting me first.

My Lord is real and is therefore powerful enough that if he wants someone dead he can do it himself. And ever since misguided murderous people quit killing in his name (at least on a large scale) the influence of my Lord has grown at an awe inspiring rate, even to the point that those who profess his name are the among the largest religion the world has ever seen, and through love. We don’t scream the name Christ while firing RPGs and mortars, we don’t threaten to blow up entire cities if they don’t convert to Christianity, yet we continue to grow in size and influence. That is the power of my Lord.





IMHO, not much different between christianity and islam - believe or die!


See above. Christians don’t say to anyone believe or die. We don’t typically kill someone who refuses to convert (unless you want to live in the ancient past), we just knock on their doors and put little fish on our cars. Rather harmless when compared to asking small children to blow themselves up. Like I said, my Lord is great enough that his existence doesn’t require the help of small children killing themselves.


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posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 07:42 PM
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But isn't it that all religions revise their holy text to conform with the modern era.

If the above is true, then who knows what to believe?



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by Uniceft17
But isn't it that all religions revise their holy text to conform with the modern era.


Well it is hard to actually revise books that you have 2000 year old copies of. If you mean revised dogma, then yes, it happens often. However in the larger religions the overall belief remains the same and typically each large religion has fundamentalists who have believed the same thing more or less all along.

You have posted several times on this thread yet you said that you know almost nothing about the major religions. If you have a curious itch, why don’t you go read the texts of the major religions? The worst thing that can happen is you are a little less ignorant of the beliefs of those you criticize.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 08:05 PM
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You have posted several times on this thread yet you said that you know almost nothing about the major religions. If you have a curious itch, why don’t you go read the texts of the major religions? The worst thing that can happen is you are a little less ignorant of the beliefs of those you criticize.


Calm down a little.
Jeez, All I have been doing is asking questions, and I did give a fair judgment. Religion has caused major conflict and countless deaths all throughout history. The only thing I said was "I wander what happens when nothing happens" and then I said "Well as soon as nothing happens if this temple is re-built, hopefully things will change." I wasn't trying to criticize anything/anyone, and if I did i'm sorry. But I don't think reading any text is going to make me understand any religion, because it's just as simple as that, everyone I know has just pushed me so far from religion it isn't even funny.

But I am close to God and my beliefs are that he's not coming back hes never coming back, he's already here, he's been here for eternity, all around us in every breath that we take, I don't need the Bible, the Quaran or anything or anyone to tell me that.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 08:32 PM
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Oh yeah forgot something:

Cavscout:

I've also seen you criticizing other peoples beliefs, and steroptyping, you didn't come out and say it, but you were implying it.

"Oh, and my God is strong enough that I don’t need kill in his name to prove it."

"My Lord is real and is therefore powerful enough that if he wants someone dead he can do it himself. And ever since misguided murderous people quit killing in his name (at least on a large scale) the influence of my Lord has grown at an awe inspiring rate."

"We don’t scream the name Christ while firing RPGs and mortars, we don’t threaten to blow up entire cities if they don’t convert to Christianity."

"We don’t typically kill someone who refuses to convert."

"Like I said, my Lord is great enough that his existence doesn’t require the help of small children killing themselves."

So don't call me out on criticizing anything, when you have been doing it on this whole page.

Peace and Love.
--Michael

P.S. That would be like me sitting here saying all Christians were like the Phelps family.

[edit on 06/21/2007 by Uniceft17]




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