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Iraqi travelers part of 'unfortunate situation'

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posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 02:23 PM
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Thanks Zanzibar, I just have a lot of experience. People used to make fun
of me a lot after 9/11, and I live in Canada. I am Christian but I know how
Muslims feel.
If you see a terrorist attack you should not blame it on Islam but on Al Qaeda,
Al Qaeda is Islamic but they do not follow the same path. That is like the war
on Iraq and Afghanistan, Islam can easily say Christianity is evil because
George Bush is a Christian, and he is leading these wars. Religions have nothing
to do with war, and neither does language. Yes terrorists speak Arabic, but what
do home grown terrorists speak? majority will speak English, so how will you
distinguish them then?




posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by Zanzibar

Originally posted by Jaruseleh
This is true, but you don't see white americans rampaging the entire planet.


Yes we do. Americans have now devastated two countries and killed countless civilians in a war that is both unjust and illegal.

The results of this war is the down right racist view of many people these days. Now we see this, a plane being stopped for someone speaking in their own language, which is sickening.

Were all human and we have to stop this petty, frankly childish profiling of people simply because of the way they look or talk.


1.) War, whether justified or not, is NOT terrorism. I will grant you that innocents are dying, but we're not hunting them down, and slaughtering them just to make Iraq and Afghanistan fear us.

2.) Have you seen how many different countries Al-Queda has "terrorized"?

Your last point, I agree with. We're all human, and the fact that this is going on is terrible. But it's terrorism that has caused this...not the government, not the media. Terrorism did. If 9/11 wouldn't have happened, we'd have no reason to racially profile Arabic people...government and media may have added fuel to the fire, but they are NOT the cause.


If you see a terrorist attack you should not blame it on Islam but on Al Qaeda,
Al Qaeda is Islamic but they do not follow the same path.


I agree with this as well...but my question is: How do you tell the difference between someone who is Islamic, and someon who is Al-Queda?

[edit on 30-8-2007 by Jaruseleh]



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 02:36 PM
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Well, you still have people that believe 9/11 was an inside job, and what if
they were right? Would that change your perception about Arabs? would you
not call your government the terrorist?
Either way USA put USA in this position when the country became multi-cultural.
The only way to tell the terrorists from the normal people is to have the whole
population under surveillance. But when that happens you will have people
complaining about their rights, and their freedoms. So this is something for the
government to sit down and talk to their security about.
Firstly I would stop letting people in the country, no visits, or no moving in.
That would be a first step towards finding any terrorists in the country.



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Equinox99
Well, you still have people that believe 9/11 was an inside job, and what if
they were right? Would that change your perception about Arabs? would you
not call your government the terrorist?


Honestly, yes, it probably would change my perception, but I don't believe it was an inside job, and that is a totally seperate topic that will be argued until the end of time.


Either way USA put USA in this position when the country became multi-cultural.
The only way to tell the terrorists from the normal people is to have the whole
population under surveillance. But when that happens you will have people
complaining about their rights, and their freedoms. So this is something for the
government to sit down and talk to their security about.


Once again, I agree with you...personally, i don't mind being under serveillance because I don't plan on doing anything wrong. I've got nothing to hide....but that's just me. Although I definately see the flip side of the coin...nobody likes being watched by big brother....


Firstly I would stop letting people in the country, no visits, or no moving in.
That would be a first step towards finding any terrorists in the country.


Aside from a few minor (or maybe major? lol) differences, I think you and I are a lot alike, because I completely agree with this as well....but I think you and I both know that this would never happen.



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 02:59 PM
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Yep it would never happen, but USA will always be at a risk from a terrorist
as long as they are in a war. Since so many are dead there is no turning
time back, this war is not going to end anytime soon. So you must stop fearing
or you will be in fear for the rest of your life.



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 03:03 PM
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Trust me, I'd love nothing more than to not live in fear...which is one reason I'm for what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. If we can keep terrorists busy outside of our country, the safer I feel. I think if we were to pull out, we'd basically be inviting them to our doorstep.

I know that is where you and I differ. No offense to you, but I don't think Al-Queda is targeting Canada...however, I live quite close to Philadelphia, D.C. and New York...all prime targets.



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by Equinox99
Yep it would never happen, but USA will always be at a risk from a terrorist
as long as they are in a war. Since so many are dead there is no turning
time back, this war is not going to end anytime soon. So you must stop fearing
or you will be in fear for the rest of your life.


Which war were we engaged in on September 11, 2001? Our actions in Afghanistan were and are absolutely justified. The Iraq fiasco has provided the Islamists with convenient excuses but it is simply untrue to suggest that had we not gone into Iraq there would be no Terrorist threat against the US.

I think it would be helpful if, those who are inclined to do so, would stop making excuses for the Islamists. The sooner we are rid of these hypocrites, the better the world will be.



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Chiiru
I see your point, its just sad that these guys were just trying to get home and they were also inconvenienced by people profiling them just because of the language they speak. It would be like someone calling me a Nazi because I can speak German.


Not that it would be right but what if you were walking down a busy street in a big town speaking German in the middle of WWII? The chances that you were stopped and question would be good.

Who should we be pissed at. For me I would be pissed at the people that created the situation that made me a target, and in this case it would be the terrorist. Hell my name was on the terrorist watch list for like two year, and every time I did a self check-in at the airport I was pulled aside to show further ID, but I was not pissed at the airport as much as I was the terrorist with the Scottish/Irish name.



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 04:05 PM
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Its hard to tell anymore on who we should be pissed at. Of course, the terrorists, but...not to sound like a lunatic who's obsessed with the "9-11 = inside job" deal, it might not even be Muslims we should be angry with. And now seeing how there are still holes in our "security", I've begun to wonder. If it was Al qaida, then of course I'd be pissed with them.

My grandfather was investigated by the FBI, because he came to the US during/after WWII, and that was the end of it. No harrassment because he was German. Just an inquiry to prove he was not a Nazi. He wasn't beat up in the streets, nor was he pulled aside from anything because he was from Germany. It just baffles me, thats all.


edit: might not make a whole lotta sense, Im tired and I have to go to work soon...Bah. Brain shutting down lol

[edit on 30-8-2007 by Chiiru]



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 04:41 PM
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It is sad if their speaking Arabic was the only thing.


I had to call the police on some guys about 3 days after Sept 11th who were itching for a fight with 2 guys sitting at my bar speaking Arabic. They were from Saudi Arabia and were just talking to themselves which was why there were conversing in Arabic. These three yahoos come up and start hovering and taunting them and I had to step in while security came and removed them from the premises.


On the other-side, I had 3 Middle eastern twenty somethings who thought it would be a real riot to play the Sega Airliner simulator at our place and crash it into the NY landmarks that are in the game while shouting loudly. This was about 10 days after Sept. 11th. I kicked them out too. You see, I am an equal opportunity hater of idiots. They said they had a right to do that and I told them to leave or I would call the police. They told me to call the police and so they were escorted out by the Police.



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 04:46 PM
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Bravo for your actions in both situations.

We live in such a strange time, don't we?



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 09:46 PM
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Look at it this way.

All Arabs/Muslims are not terrorists. The majority.

But all of the terrorists that are part of Al-Qaeda are Muslims/mostly Arab.

Personally, I think rather than being more extreme with security on only Arabs, we should be extreme on everyone...only because then it won't be "racial profiling".

But we would have the same and more convenient effect if we did racially profile, but thats of course wrong.

Actually, I don't know where I stand.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by ninthaxis

Originally posted by Jaruseleh
It's not the government that has me scared of middle eastern people. It's all the things they've blown up, and all the people they've killed that has me scared. Yes, racial profiling sucks, but what else can you do? How much more tragic would it have been if they'd have done nothing, and these people speaking arabic blew the plane up? I'd rather be a bit late and annoyed than dead.


I think its just as tragic to pile everyone who speaks a certain language, practices a certain religion, looks a certain way, into a group with murderer's and hate mongers.


Exactly. Nobody cries fowl on white Americans ( I am one ), but I see people everyday who look and speak like white rapists and serial killers. How come we are not afraid of the whites?



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 05:17 AM
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im 16 and speak arabic some times on planes well alot and laugh alot does that mean i can get arrested? if so how stupid



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 07:04 AM
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Originally posted by Jaruseleh
It's not the government that has me scared of middle eastern people. It's all the things they've blown up, and all the people they've killed that has me scared. Yes, racial profiling sucks, but what else can you do? How much more tragic would it have been if they'd have done nothing, and these people speaking arabic blew the plane up? I'd rather be a bit late and annoyed than dead.


Jeez man, how would you feel if every American is labelled as a fat, murdering, idiotic, cowboy? Because that's how some of the innocents in the middle east are beginning to see you as.

How many cluster bombs have been dropped on civilian buildings (hospitals, mosques, houses etc)... by the white devil?

Question: How would you feel if for ten years you have seen nothing but the terrible spoils of war, seeing your own children with missing limbs and phosphourous scars and seeing whole families blown to a bloody pulp, due to bombs on your home town and seeing a foreign occupation take over your country and streal your assests (in the name of liberation from tyranny)...???
My guess is no right minded American would stand for it and you would stand for it and you'd all go out guns blazing to remove the occupation from your streets to prevent the murder of innocents. Of course you would. Now view this as the Iraqi's perspective and this is exactly what is happening... THEY DO NOT hate your freedom, they are just sick of having nothing but agony from your hands...

I'm beginning to see how close and yet how far relations are between the Yanks and the Iraqi's... 'They' (the soldiers and retaliators) both kill innocents in their thousands, they are both afraid of each other and in the end it comes down to either the decisions of the rich and powerful with more bombs than sense, or some inbuilt hatred of the western world caused by the idiots with the bombs.

I am not targetting any race or culture here, I am merely trying to let you see the futility of this ingrained hatred.

Wake up people... the problem lies not in the people, but in the despotic rulers who have you all by the balls.

Fear nothing and soon you will start seeing things for yourself.


Peace on earth.





[edit on 31-8-2007 by mr-lizard]



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 07:34 AM
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Honestly, I don't care what we're labeled as. Label me what you want, I know who I am.

I also stand by my statement...our government didn't cause this, terrorism did. End of story.

As far as Iraq...what's better, living for years and years in fear of a dictator, and eventually dying by gassing, or dying to help free your country? both things suck, but at least the ladder is for a purpose.

Once again, all we hear are "civilians are dying"...true enough, and nobody wants that, but you rarely hear about the good things that are happening in Iraq...it's a "quagmire". Tell that to the people in the hospital that just got rebuilt. Tell that to the kids who are back in school. Tell that to the women who get to vote for their leaders. Things definately suck now, but in the long run Iraq will be able to stand on its own two feet, and the world will be a better place because of it.

And just for the record, I never said I hated anyone. My whole "racial profiling" point was based on life or death situations, such as the plane being delayed...I have no problem going to an Arabic car dealer, or an Iraqi doctor, etc...I'm not a racist. I hate the terrorists, not the group of people they stem from.

[edit on 31-8-2007 by Jaruseleh]



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Equinox99
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Other then that, I am Iraqi and USA invaded Iraq when they knew Al Qaeda was not in there. Too many Iraqi Muslims and Christians are dead now, the
country is in utter chaos, and people have no clean water to drink. That was
the result of you guys helping my country, when deep inside you know and I
know the country was perfectly fine before you guys took over.
Now I have to sit through this and listen about how people who speak Arabic
influence fear amongst your fellow Americans?

Let me tell you something, the problem is not with people speaking Arabic,
but it is with your government spreading out the next terrorist attack
propaganda. If Hillary was not parading around shouting next terror attack,
you would not have many Americans scared of every Arab you see.
I hope you understand when I tell you not every person who speaks Arabic
are terrorists.


Just so you know the U.S. invaded Iraq because of all their weapons of mass destruction(which it turned out they had none). As far as being labeled as a terrorist because of your race or religous beliefs or the inability to speak english while being in the U.S. I know its wrong but its a reality of life. At least we didnt round up all the people of middle eastern descent and put them in concentration camps like we did when the japanese bombed pearl harbor. But you dont see any stateside Americans kidnapping people and chopping their heads off on a daily basis or sending suicide bombers into markets just to get a good death count regardless if they are American or Iraqi.
If the U.S. had never invaded Iraq I know this stuff would not happen nearly as much but Saddam was a ruthless dictator it was his way or the execution line. What is really messed up is I really think that the way he was running Iraq was the only way it could be peaceful. I guess you just need to kill a whole village with chemical weapons and then the people start acting right. IMHO Iraq is just a lost cause and if they had no oil NOBODY would give 2 s#%ts about em, if you look at the genocide that is happening in Africa everyday it makes Iraq look like a country club.

As far as spreading fear with terror warnings I say better safe than sorry and if you dont like it quit listening. The terrorists are winning in my opinion because they are living up to their name TERRORist thats what they want and there is not alot you can do about it.This is nothing new though our whole generation has had this image of terrorism since the whole 1979 Iran hostage crisis.I was 7 yrs old and knew what terrorists were.
America is the greatest country on earth and I know im gonna get flamed for saying it which is sad.Ifnot for the U.S. and their police mentality we could very well all be speaking German/Japanese and you wouldnt know other languages existed because all of the books would have been burned.

OK FLAMERS LET ER RIP!!!
P.S.
Nobody cares what the hell Hillary says!



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Jaruseleh
It's not the government that has me scared of middle eastern people. It's all the things they've blown up, and all the people they've killed that has me scared. Yes, racial profiling sucks, but what else can you do? How much more tragic would it have been if they'd have done nothing, and these people speaking arabic blew the plane up? I'd rather be a bit late and annoyed than dead.


You're completely right. Bravo for standing up for your beliefs among all of these people who will criticize you for them. It's darwanism; plain old common sense that when we see a person of the same ethnic origin, in the same situation as that of those who carried out one of the worst attacks in the history of our country, we're slightly wary. If the world were still survival of the fittest in that sense, everyone who thinks that Bush is just "fear mongering" would probably be dead by now. Of course, this doesn't mean we should ever treat people differently because of their ethnicity or anything like that, but it's just my hunch that these men might have been doing something other than just being middle-eastern. I've flown several flights on which there were men fully decked out in the clothing of their homeland, complete with a turban and sandals. Nobody stopped the plane or anything like that. Again, it's natural for human beings to learn from terrible experiences, and I don't think it's a bad thing.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by Herman
I've flown several flights on which there were men fully decked out in the clothing of their homeland, complete with a turban and sandals. Nobody stopped the plane or anything like that.


That might have been because those people were Sikhs, not Muslims.



posted on Aug, 31 2007 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Herman
I've flown several flights on which there were men fully decked out in the clothing of their homeland, complete with a turban and sandals. Nobody stopped the plane or anything like that.


That might have been because those people were Sikhs, not Muslims.


I'd be willing to bet that most Americans can't tell the difference by just looking at them...



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