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Smithsonian Conspiracy to Cover Up Cryptids?

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posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 08:34 PM
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I have found very little information about this topic online, and correspondence with the Smithsonian Institute has so far yielded only bland, vague confirmations of a few broad points. A family friend who worked for the Smithsonian and then later for the government once confided in me that there was a program in the early part of the 20th century known as The Harriman Grant. The Smithsonian had been given money by the Harriman family for the express purpose of locating the remains of "evolutionary anomalies" of all sorts that did not mesh with the scientific thinking of the day. They purchased these remains and, generally, promised the owners that they would eventually be displayed for all to see in the museum.

Crytpid remains were supposedly located in all sorts of locations, from reputable zoological departments at major universities to roadside attractions. There is no doubt that some of what was purchased was no more than cunning frauds (making fake mermen or unicorns, for instance, was once a booming cottage industry for roadside attractions and freak tents) but some of the specimens that were purchased, and ultimately either destroyed or permanently "filed away", seem to have been quite interesting. The project was well founded and generally paid pretty well, although if someone wouldn't sell, I'm told they were usually threatened that "If you don't want to sell, we can just come back and take this under the authority of our government charter, it's up to you".

The Smithsonian has confirmed that there was once a "Harriman Grant", and that it concerned the purchase of "strange or anomalous remains and fossil specimens", but no further details were given. The project, they say, was short lived and yielded "nothing of real interest", which is a standard line for coverups. Just wondering if anybody else has run across this "Harriman Grant", or anything similar, in their reading or their experiences.




posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 06:30 AM
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I have never heard of the Harriman Grant ever before. But it wouldnt suprise me if the Government was trying to hide cryptids around the world.
Think what would happen if the secrets got out? people and locals would start grabbing their guns and start hunting these creatures to extinction. I know not all the people would hunt the cryptids down, but theres alot of people ou there who like the world the way it is, I find these people very boring..

This story though is familiar with a story I was reading about the Chupacabra along time ago, apparently it was designed to hunt or something along those lines, and it escaped and I heard that the government tried to cover this one up too.



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 06:53 AM
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I'm interested in hearing more about this. In the late 90's I recall watching a very interesting chat show about cryptozoological beasts and what not. Some of the guests had actually witnessed certain anomalies first hand and in some cases acquired evidence. As with anything though, this evidence has failed to come to light.

It's going to be hard work for the cryptozoologists though if evidence is being "bought".



posted on Aug, 30 2007 @ 07:52 AM
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Opulisum:

That idea about the chupacabra is pretty interesting. Do you remember any details? Like, do you remember what it was supposed to hunt, or when it was supposedly being bred? A lot of people really underestimate just how weird animal hybrid experiments got around the middle of the 20th century. A lot of information, especially about what was going on in the USSR and China, may take a very long time to come out (if it ever does), but just what has trickled out has sometimes been jawdropping.

Thebox:

That's exactly the rationale that the government tends to use, that the existence of cryptids would be "too alarming" or "too upsetting" and would cause local unrest. The other concern, of course, is from the Scientific Establishment. The kinds of new discoveries that fit in well with existing theories are wonderful for the Establishment, and these discoveries are celebrated and publicized. But if there is any way to silence prickly contrarians and discredit or cover up any evidence they can unearth, the Establishment will usually try to do exactly that. What's really interesting are the periods when it seems like a concerted effort is made across the board to bury or whitewash whole categories of evidence en masse.



posted on Sep, 2 2007 @ 01:03 PM
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The name itself makes me think this is made-up. "Hairy man" ... Sounds to me like "your friend" thought he or she was being clever, like when a character is named "John Everyman" in a movie
The first result on our friend Google is this very thread. If the Institute has acknowledged a grant with even the same name, one would expect some better results.



posted on May, 11 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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Hairy Man, indeed! That's a nice, fast way of dropping this thread dead in its tracks Years Ago. It doesn't Change the facts nor hide the truth! Read on if you Dare...

Edward Harriman was the guys' name. One of the richest and most powerful men in America in the early 1900s.
You can probably see where This is going a mile away...

Here's a Wikipedia entry on his expedition to Alaska.
en.wikipedia.org...

Unsurprisingly, Harriman has had connections all over the frigging place. He was one of the founders of the National Geographic Association. He was involved with the Native Americans. In many ways you could say that he was a successor to John Wesley Powell and Cyrus Thomas of the Smithsonian Institute who specialized in COVERING UP AND DESTROYING EVIDENCE of a race of Giants who lived in North America before and during the Indian occupation. Go to This thread for that: www.abovetopsecret.com...
which ties into this thead: www.abovetopsecret.com... and inevitably this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's all about covering up a race of giant humans who ruled our Earth long, long ago. Possessing an advanced global civilization which is the real truth behind "ancient astronauts"--not Aliens but an advanced society of Humans who were taken to Be Gods From Heaven. This is where Von Daniken and friends step in. Then decades later David Icke completely blows things out of proportion with shapeshifting extradimensional aliens and the like to Fully Discredit Anything And Everything and to associate it with crackpot paranoids who believe in evil space aliens out to steal our god-given American freedom. A very well-executed tactic which obviously worked quite well and continues to work quite well to this very day!

Since posting this stuff I've been bombarded with bunk about it all being lies, hoaxes, and nonsense. No evidence they say. No evidence. Like it's just going to sit there out in the open for anyone to pick up and wave around. If the Smithsonian and their allies have been systematically destroying evidence for over a century what do you expect. I've received private e-mail too about the possibility of banning me, not to mention being called a troll and all that goes with that... I just want to let you guys know that if you never hear from me again, that's why.



posted on May, 11 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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Well, sending e-mails and treating you is a childish stuff. I found the information of yours extremely intersting. I should research a little more. And i must agree with you. A race of human giants would make much more sense than the theory of the Annunaki.

Edit: About the topic. Why hide crypitids like mokele-mbembe, bigfoot or the Okanagan monster? Well, that's a bit weird but there must be a reason to hide those guys. Perhaps their discovery would change the way we see relegion and cience today? Well, i don't think some people would be happy on rewriting history books.
edit on 11-5-2012 by Frocharocha because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 11 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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Thanks for reviving this thread I probably never would have seen it otherwise. (ATS mobile has very few options for searching through threads.. Well for doing anything really lol)

This is all fascinating and now I must go on an info hunt to see what else I can read up on lol as the guy above said, logically a race of advanced "giants" does seem to make a little more sense than "aliens"...

But I do have to wonder why the Smithsonian would be involved in a cover up such as suggested... Covering up general "Cryptids" vs covering up race of giants are kinda two different things. Obviouisly an advanced race preceding humans would ruffle a few feathers, especially christian ones lol but really I like to think of general cryptids more-so like animals who just haven't been "discovered" yet. Discovering a new animal doesn't really turn everything we know up side down.. So why cover it up?

What if they just didn't really ever find anything that wasn't fake?




 
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posted on May, 11 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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I wonder though what caused gigantism in hominids. and why do no other apes have any record of being giants. other than gigithopanthus gorillas and humans are the biggest apes or hominids ever got.

Where did these giant humans evolve? And why?

Other than that. It seems likely that the rich guy wanted to use the smithsonian to buy up all the cryptids because it went against his agenda.



posted on May, 11 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by Frocharocha
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Well, sending e-mails and treating you is a childish stuff. I found the information of yours extremely intersting. I should research a little more. And i must agree with you. A race of human giants would make much more sense than the theory of the Annunaki.

Edit: About the topic. Why hide crypitids like mokele-mbembe, bigfoot or the Okanagan monster? Well, that's a bit weird but there must be a reason to hide those guys. Perhaps their discovery would change the way we see relegion and cience today? Well, i don't think some people would be happy on rewriting history books.
edit on 11-5-2012 by Frocharocha because: (no reason given)


My research points to all of them being related. In fact the conclusion I'm coming to is that these reports of "wildmen" through the centuries, now usually called Yeti, Bigfoot etc, are in fact the feral remaining members of this once great civilization. They've regressed to the point where they dwell in caves and lead primitive existences in scattered groups. The reason they can't be caught is not just because of their nocturnal lifestyles but because they're intelligent, or maybe semi-intelligent would be closer to the mark.



posted on May, 11 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by BASSPLYR
I wonder though what caused gigantism in hominids. and why do no other apes have any record of being giants. other than gigithopanthus gorillas and humans are the biggest apes or hominids ever got.

Where did these giant humans evolve? And why?

Other than that. It seems likely that the rich guy wanted to use the smithsonian to buy up all the cryptids because it went against his agenda.


Lots of theories, gueswork, and plain weirdness here. From what I've been reading, the prehistoric era was all about giganticicm. Not just dinosaurs but smaller animals, insects, plants... It's almost as if the environment way back then was different from what it is now. Sure, no pollution or smog, and most likely a higher oxygen content but none of this can account for giant creatures. This led me to think that maybe the Gravity was lower back then. Yeah, sure, there's nothing to account for that that we know of but it would explain huge growth. I thought possibly our planet's been picking up a lot space debris over the millennia (asteroids, cosmic dust & gas, comets) but it can hardly account for such a radical change, maybe a fraction of a fraction of a percent.
This in turn led me to even wilder concepts such as the Hollow Earth Theory (which I should point out isn't anywhere near as wild as one would think, despite it being grouped alongside the Flat Earth Theory which is plain hodwash). It's very technical and I'd rather no go into it in detail here because it's, well OFF TOPIC! as certain moderators would lovingly remind me... Basically though, if the Earth is essentially a hollow shell with the bulk of the gravity in the crust, the interior shell would have a lower gravity and things could grow quite large within. The thinnest parts being at the poles which is where it's theorized that polar openings exist and things can move about between the different domains. There's a silly little book written over a century ago called "The Smokey God" about a voyage into the inner Earth where 12-foot Giants existed. Rather weird stuff, but it's funny how Hyperboria and the Norse legends speak of Giants from the North, and then there's the Giants who invaded Scotland and Ireland in ancient Celtic myth. Most of these Giants of old share some interesting characteristics. Not only were they tall, but they generally had red or blond hair, sometimes 6 fingers or toes, and double-rows of teeth. These details are reported on numerous skeletal remains--which go "missing" after being dug up... Some skeptics have tried to knock all of the Giant digs down of course. Saying they're ancient giant apes like Australopithecus (however you spell it). Yet I find it hard to believe that "apes" would be given full burial honors, sometimes buried with forged armor! No, these are not apes and they're not grunting cavemen either! I wouldn't be surprised if they were related to the Vikings or some other long-lost group though. They've got big skulls and big brains inside of them. They were looked up to by ancient men as Gods in many societies.



posted on May, 11 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by itswhatev
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Thanks for reviving this thread I probably never would have seen it otherwise. (ATS mobile has very few options for searching through threads.. Well for doing anything really lol)

This is all fascinating and now I must go on an info hunt to see what else I can read up on lol as the guy above said, logically a race of advanced "giants" does seem to make a little more sense than "aliens"...

But I do have to wonder why the Smithsonian would be involved in a cover up such as suggested... Covering up general "Cryptids" vs covering up race of giants are kinda two different things. Obviouisly an advanced race preceding humans would ruffle a few feathers, especially christian ones lol but really I like to think of general cryptids more-so like animals who just haven't been "discovered" yet. Discovering a new animal doesn't really turn everything we know up side down.. So why cover it up?

What if they just didn't really ever find anything that wasn't fake?

 
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You've got it easy though. I'm entirely on dial-up Internet access here. Video clips and streaming stuff: forget it for me.

It goes against their worldview, so they cover it up. I have many theories compiled over the years which try to tie things together. Read my other posts around here. Basically, if there was an advanced civilization here thousands of years ago (and all we have left of it today are stone monuments and pyramids), they had high technology. What happens when high technology falls into the wrong hands? Could very well be Earth's destruction. This ancient civilization destroyed itself and the same thing could happen again to ours. Books and documents which are only now becoming declassified strongly suggest that the Nazis in WWII were Way ahead of anyone else on this planet in the 1940s. In a few short years they were working on prototype flying craft nobody ever dreamed of, and part of that came about through a whole myriad of breakthroughs one after another, really bugging the odds. Synthetic gasoline, super-lubricants, the first steps towards zero-point energy research and even nuclear fusion. Time and resources were against them because they were fighting a losing battle. Lots of breakthroughs are made during wartime but not like this. What was Hitler and his Nazi buddies into and where did proto-Nazism come from? Occult societies and, in particular, a search for their holy Aryan ancestors from a mythical "lost age". Hitler sent expeditions all over the world to get ancient documents, knowledge of all kinds, maybe even lost technology (it's the one thing the Indiana Jones movies got right!). I'm convinced that they actually did bring something of value back to the fatherland which sparked this staggering technological outpouring. These recently declassified documents and certain "eyewitnesses" all point towards the Nazis developing prototype flying saucers, starting with the so-called Foo Fighters first encountered by Allied aircraft. When the war ended, many of their scientists fled--the ones which weren't split between the US and USSR via Operation Paper Clip. They fled to a secret base in the South Pole (Richard Byrd actually briefed the Nazis about that expedition Prior to the start of WWII!). Then in 1947 came Operation High Jump (look this up on the Internet!) a vast "military exercise" at the South Pole to mop-up remaining Nazis. And right after this, mere months later, came the Roswell crash... All this ties together. How does this pertain to cover-ups? Well, IF information about an ancient Advanced society got out, there would once again be a worldwide rush by various nations to get their hands on ancient knowledge. And rather than allow this to happen and trigger WWIII it's best to cover up our ancient past and pretend that Giants never existed. Or divert the truth and calls these Giants aliens from a distant planet (just a coincidence that they breathe our air, are comfortable in our atmospheric pressure and gravity, don't fear "alien" microbes, are quite bipedal, carbon-based, eat, sleep, and excrete just like humans and other critters born and raised here, and sport the usual 2 eyes, 2 ears, nose, and mouth arrangement--and apparently can interbreed with "normal" humans!).



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 05:26 AM
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Bit of a heavy read but have to say this thread has really got me intrigued! I'm loving this and will definitely be checking out some of your other stuff CaptainLJB



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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I just hope that I don't scare you guys off with my theoretical rambling. I know that just mentioning Hollow Earth Theory (the Mother of all conspiracy/cover-up paranoids) puts me in the nuthouse category (as in Islam's "the sun sets in a muddy swamp" because Muhammad said so line of thought), but it's one of those things I've investigated in the past, as it's been associated with UFO origins for over half a century. The rational side of me keeps writing it all off as being lots of bunk, so I shelf it for a decade or so, but it keeps crawling back. For instance, when our latest generation of probes began sending back multi-spectrum scans of the planets, the information was actually exactly what the Hollow Earthers had predicted many years earlier... Coincidence? Maybe. So I shove it into the back of my mind and move on with the more down-to-Earth "casual" cover-ups like OOPArts and unearthed oversized skeletons, which I believe to be the very crux of anomalies related to our origins.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 05:14 PM
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Na man if anything when you talked about the hollow earth theory it pulled me in even more


I only first heard about it a few months ago really and it's good to hear from somebody who's actually being kind of serious about it rather than just criticizing it.

I find a lot of these theories real interesting because I've kind of always doubted common general science about history and always thought there could be way more stuff out there they aren't telling us.

Keep it up man, hope you don't end up mysteriously dissapearing like some people on this site



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 11:09 PM
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Please forgive me for wasting my time and yours on this thread. I've got better things to do. Bye!



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 11:54 PM
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Captain, I am in love with you. In the strictest, non-homosexual, most awesome way. More like loving an older brother I want to grow up an be like. No seriously you have some great posts. If you are banned, I will cry. Anyways. I believe it all factors in. Like I said before everything strange seems to connect in some way. I touched on that, and I also touched on the subject of the Smithsonian covering up evidence about giants. It is all a most strange thing. That has some evidence pointing to the fact that it could possibly be a very real thing that is happening right now. Those nefarious people.



posted on May, 14 2012 @ 08:14 AM
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Then go here
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and here
www.abovetopsecret.com...
or even here
www.abovetopsecret.com...

In any case, LET THIS THREAD DIE. Along with that Hollow Earth thread I came across yesterday, where I posted a juicy in-depth analysis summary from my crummy, unpublished book...and was Laughed At.



posted on May, 14 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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I would much enjoy reading that book good sir! And yes, people on this site need to stop laughing people off. Even if they are claiming to be the Messiah as I saw on a thread a few weeks ago. Humor them. Their is a grain of truth and reason to everything, it is our job to find it. Not to laugh away and ostracize others. Sad, sad day.



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 11:26 PM
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Yeah man I agree! I don't get why people come on this site if all they're going to do is criticize everyone else about what they believe in, when the purpose of these certain forums on the site are for the specific purposes of voicing your opinions on the subject.

Don't let them get you down Captain! Keep spekaing your mind!





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