Another Look At The Generator Trailer Damage, page 1
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Topic started on 29-8-2007 @ 04:42 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
Let's get our "groove" on!



This thread will demonstrate how the physical damage to the generator trailer does NOT match the official flight path or fit a 757.

Particularly in regards to the "groove" in the top of the generator that some researcher's have attributed to the flap track of the wing of a 757.

The official south side of the Citgo flight path requires the plane's right wing tilts up and the engine goes through the fence and generator trailer as the left wing tilts down and hits the ground.

Proponents of the official flight path claim that the damage to the trailer is proof that a 757 hit the Pentagon on the official flight path.

But there is very little to support this.

First of all the official story proponents claim that the trailer shows damage from a engine hitting it, when it is actually the thin shell of the trailer wall warping into an even bend from the heat of the diesel fuel fire:



They claim the fence shows foward moving damage. When it actually shows some strange inconsistencies. It shows the barbed wire hole just popped off, and while it shows one pole (yellow) bent down (which could have been fabricated since the "renovation" was drawing to a close) it shows a pole (red) uprooted, kinked in two places and blown AWAY from the trailer.



There are even poles on the other side that are still standing:



But the one thing that they have continued to point to is the groove in the top of the trailer as coming from the flap track of the right wing:



But generally they use poor representations such as the one above to illustrate how this would happen.

When taking a close look at the generator "groove", it holds the appearance of fabrication through the use of a welding torch, note the scorch marks and the uneven jagged cutting:



Does this photo reveal that the trailer already had the gouge or groove cut into it before 9/11?


Regardless of that the witnesses we spoke with adamantly state that the plane was on the north side of the Citgo. This would directly contradict direction and damage to the generator trailer, which require the plane to be on the south side of the Citgo.







One specifically stated that the plane pulled up over the highway sign on the way to the Pentagon.




And beyond that Undertow did a scale model of what it should look like with the plane hitting the building...THE FLAP TRACK STILL CANNOT REACH THE GENERATOR TRAILER TO CAUSE THE "GROOVE":





www.aa77fdr.com...

To top it off, the numbers and trends based on RAW DATA from the FDR which tries to show the south side flight path illustrates that not only can the flap track NOT reach, BUT NEITHER CAN THE ENGINE:


video.google.com...

So in closing, it is clear there is very little evidence to NO EVIDENCE to support that a 757 right engine caused the damage to the generator trailer.


reply posted on 30-8-2007 @ 05:53 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by BigMoser




specs on this mobile 40Ft containerized power station
CAT 3516B
V-16, 4-stroke-cycle diesel
Bore — mm (in) .......................170 (6.7)
Stroke — mm (in) .....................190 (7.5)
Displacement — L (cu in) ............69.0 (4210)
Aspiration............Turbocharged-Aftercooled

Approximate Weight (Dry) —
Container with Generator Set and Switchgear
Including Container kg (lb) 32,660 (72,000)
With Undercarriage kg (lb) 40,370 (89,000)


reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 02:37 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
There were likely explosives inside the trailer and the "dent" is really just the metal weakening and bending from the fire.


This gif demonstrates how intense the fire on the trailer was:



But this old thread deserves a bumping in general since more information has been released regarding activity in this area prior to the attack.

For example this interview with a PenRen worker (we think it was Michael DiPaula but the name was redacted from the CMH interview) talks about moving around the trailers the day before.


"This area here is considered the---we call it the lay down area. It's the heliport area, and out there we---we have all the construction trailers. We were in the process right prior to September 11th cleaning out the area. Actually on the tenth we had some other trailers that were just leaving because we were getting ready to turn it back over to the building."
page 11



Here are trailers that he might have been talking about:




So they probably moved those trailers out, set the generator trailer at an angle as if getting ready to move it out, and moved in some dumpsters full of explosives and planted airplane debris to be spewed across the helipad.

It could have been all done under the rock solid cover story of wrapping up the renovation.

But the cover didn't stop there. We also know that Bush took off from the heliport on 9/10 and was scheduled to return there on 9/11 at 12:00 noon. This means secret service were crawling all over that place and so they had the excuse to basically do whatever they want to "secure" the place for the President no questions asked.

Heliport tower air traffic controller Sean Boger describes how it was a "dog and pony show":


On September 10th, it was kind of busy because the President flew out. He flew out that Monday, and whenever the President flies out, it is always a dog and pony show, you know.

You have got the Secret Service guys coming around and the dogs sniffing, and everything. So it was kind of like a big old deal. And so on September 10th, you know it was really kind of busy. And he was scheduled to come back on September 11th.
source



reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 02:51 PM by SPreston
American 77 Flight Path version2 - In 3D


Google Video Link



Three Dimensional view of American 77 Flight Path according to data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board. Removing altitude and NTSB northern plot data as a variable (see pilotsfor911truth.org... for more information), we use the "impact point" as point of origin working outwards based on heading, descent angles and bank angles to analyze if the data can account for the physical damage path. Please visit pilotsfor911truth.org... for in depth analysis of complete data provided by US Govt Agencies who claim was generated by the aircraft which struck The Pentagon on September 11, 2001




reply posted on 17-1-2009 @ 11:05 AM by CameronFox
reply to post by Seymour Butz


What is more important it that April Gallop did not mention smelling burning Diesel. That has to mean that the generator was NOT on fire.
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