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Two 110 story steel structures, plus a reinforced command bunker (WTC7) all fell due to gasoline fires for the first time in the history of skyscrapers.
Thermate, a military explosive used to cut through steel beems, was found at ground zero.
Many eyewitness accounts exist of explosives going off within the towers prior to its collapse.
Two 110 story steel structures fell at nearly freefall rate of speed, something that is physically impossible without the use of controlled demoltion. Just watch the collapse of those two towers and then tell me that fire did that.
The only buildings demolished because of 9-11 near ground zero were owned and insured by Larry Silverstein.
9 or 10 of the supposed hijackers (convenient how all of the newstations came out with this at the same time) are now known to be alive in foreign countries.
Seizmegraphs in the area picked up demolition signatures, i.e., explosives going off in the area.
Insider trading of airline stock, from sources connected to the CIA, was found prior to 9-11.
Building strength, asbestos treated steel does not melt or even weaken at the temperatures generated by a gasoline fire, especially one that went out as quickly as the fires in the WTC.
As steel is heated it begins to soften, At 1000 F it loses 10% of rated
strenght, at 1200 F 25%, 1400 F 50%, 1800 F only 10%. The steel
expands as it is heated, at 1000 F it expands 9 1/2 inches per 100
linear feet. The expanding steel begine to twist, bend and sag under the
stress. At some critical point the steel will have reached a point where
it can not support the load and fail. The load is transferred to adjacent
parts of the structure which if under heat stress will fail in a cascading
manner. Witness the violent failure of the exterior columns which
initialed the building collapse
Thermate, a military explosive used to cut through steel beems, was found at ground zero.
No, it wasnt.
I am not entirely sure just who started the "black smoke means an oxygen starved fire" baloney, but it is just that, baloney.
Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
by the way, if "construction grade steel" could stand up to the puny trash can fire that you seemed to think was going on that day...WHY would they worry about spraying fireproofing on it?
I am not entirely sure just who started the "black smoke means an oxygen starved fire" baloney, but it is just that, baloney. Ask ANY member of the US Armed Forces, especially those in aviation, just what color smoke comes from a jet fuel caused fire...heres a hint DARK BLACK. Hell ask any resident of Mayport, Florida or San Diego what color smoke came from the firefighting schools, back when we still actually used jet fuel, diesel and mogas to start the fires...they will tell you the same thing. Big, raging fires producing billowing black smoke. Good grief, does anyone actually look for information OTHER than what they read on conspiracy sites?
The group says that a different conclusion better fits the evidence - they believe that pre-positioned explosives were responsible for the destruction of the WTC towers. "It sounds outlandish," Jones says, "But when you look at the evidence, it fits. In fact, many of the physical features of these events -- such as their rapidity, totality, and the observed iron-rich spheres in the WTC dust -- fit the demolition hypothesis and are difficult to reconcile with any of the existing collapse explanations."
"There were 80 to 90 floors of completely intact steel structure below the impact zones, untouched by fire or damage, which had held up the mass above them for decades and, in the case of the perimeter columns, were over-designed by a factor of 20. Also, almost all of the mass of the building coming down from above was being ejected outside the footprint as it fell, so there is not even a "pile driver" to crush the building below, and thus no valid engineering explanation for the failure!" Gage says that the only way to achieve what NIST describes as "'such little resistance [from the structure below to the falling mass above,' was to destroy that solid intact structure with pre-planted explosives."
"It sounds extreme," he says, "even preposterous. But when you set aside your disbelief, you find explosives to be the only valid explanation for the 'collapse' and this explains many features -- such as the virtually free fall speed, symmetry, audible & visible explosions, pulverization to dust of all of the floors, file cabinets, etc. -- that are consistent with demolition style collapses, but not with historical structural failures by fire."
The Request asserts that the NIST Final Report violates information quality standards, draws inferences that are inconsistent with its own computer simulations and physical tests, and exhibits a significant bias toward a preordained conclusion while ignoring available evidence contrary to it. The Request also says that if this bias is corrected, the NIST simulation clearly indicates that the Towers should not have collapsed due to plane damage and fire. The obvious alternative, which the group says should have been studied by NIST, is explosive demolition.Continued at Source
That's the first I've ever heard of firefighters claiming to have it under control.
originally posted by HothSnake1
and fire fighters within the structures, claiming to have it under control.
Battalion Chief Palmer: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."
Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"
Battalion Chief Palmer: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."
Ladder 15: "Floor 78?"
Battalion Chief Palmer: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we're gonna need two engines up here."
Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're on our way"
Fetzer characterizes Dr. Wood, who has degrees in civil engineering, engineering mechanics, and materials engineering science, as the leading expert on technical aspects of the destruction of the World Trade Center. "There are experts in many areas of science and of engineering studying 9/11," he explained, "but she has degrees that are centrally focused on critical areas in which competence is required to begin to understand what happened on 9/11. No one else in the 9/11 community comes close to her level of expertise."
Her complaint, technically, Request for Correction, like the others, asserts that the basic integrity of NIST's report, called NCSTAR 1, is lacking because, by its own admission, NIST did not investigate the actual destruction of the World Trade Center Towers: "The focus of the investigation was on the sequence of events from the instance of aircraft impact to the initiation of collapse for each tower." This means that the NIST report does not actually include the collapse behavior of the towers after the conditions for their initiation were realized, which NIST refers to as "the probable collapse sequence."
"NIST, of course, claims that it was the impact of the aircraft and the jet-fuel based fires, which caused the steel to weaken and bring about a collapse," Fetzer said. "But the buildings were designed to withstand such occurrences and the steel had been certified by UL to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit for several hours without weakening. The fires only burned around 500 degrees for less than an hour (in the case of WTC-2) and an hour-and-a-half (in the case of WTC-2), so NIST really doesn't even reach the point at which a 'collapse' of any kind would be 'initiated.' The situation is quite remarkable."
Thus, to this day, Americans have not been given any explanation whatsoever for the destruction of the WTC complex that comports with information and quality standards. In contrast, Dr. Wood's RFC contains a stunning array of visual evidence that confirms highly unusual energy effects seen by all as the Twin Towers were almost instantaneously destroyed in less time than it would take a billiard ball to hit the ground if dropped from the height of 110 stories, a result she demonstrates in relation to the law of falling bodies.Continued at Source
Palmer says two isolated pockets of fire, which I am not doubting. Here are a few questions:
1. What are lines?
2. Where is floor 78 in relation to the impact damage of the South Tower?
3. Where is South stairway Adam in relation to the damage?
4. How much of the overall damage and fire can he see from his position?
5. What are engines?
theres Ph.D's that say there was, what are your credentials? you searched ground zero and analyzed the metal? what were the results?
Well, according to Captain O' My Captain, they only fireproofed a little bit of one of the towers. Apparently, they didn't think that it was all that important.
Yes, jet fuel burns black, just like every other hydrocarbon based fire. Why? Because they are not that hot on the scale of fires. Different types of fire burn different colors and produce different colors of smoke. For instance, a thermate reaction would produce a white powdery smoke, exactly what we saw bullowing from the basement prior to the collapse of the South Tower, and just after the collapse. It's called Aluminum Oxide and is indicative of a very white-hot fire. Jet fuel burns black because it is red-hot and oxygen starved (fuel source is burning off quickly). A fire that is going out, i.e., oxygen starved, will produce more smoke than a fire that is getting plenty of oxygen and is burning hot. Now, I'm sure that we've all been camping. When the camp fire is almost out is when it is smoking the most.
Certified by UL to withstand 2000 degrees for several hours
Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
So bring it on...continuing to rely on already discredited garbage only weakens your argument.
No, two 110 story steel structures collapsed due to severe damage caused by two fully fueled jetliners slamming into them, and a high temperature jet fuel fire. As they collapsed, WTC 1 had large sections collapse into WTC 7, causing fatal damage to it as well. Not sure where you get "gasoline" from...because jet fuel is quite different.
No, a goofy professor ran tests on a piece of steel that he got from his girlfriend's sister's husband's cousin...who said it came from ground zero. Ever hear of the phrase "chain of custody"? There isnt one here.
The "residues" that Mr Johns seems to think come from thermite
No, Capt O had it right, they said they heard what sounded like explosions going off. Doesnt mean they were bombs. First aid oxy tanks, gas lines, cleaning chemicals (read the labels, avoid extreme heat or open flame), all things you would find in an office building like that, and all things that would go boom. Of course, the catastrophic failure of steel under extreme stress sounds like bombs going off too.
Ah yes, the fixation on free fall. If you want to do the calculations, you will find out that free fall would have taken about 9.22 seconds. Best guess is that the towers took between 18-25 seconds to completely collapse. Of course, the easiest way to disprove the free fall myth is to watch the videos taken from close to the towers. Large chunks of the towers hit the ground long before the rest of the towers do. THOSE chunks were falling at free fall speed. Better yet, go through all the links here
Which, honestly, means absolutely nothing. However, since you brought up the insurance point......He tried to get much lower insurance for the buildings, his banks made him take out more. And as one of your other posts pointed out, he wasnt going to get near enough money to rebuild everything AND he still had to pay the 120 million dollar a year rent. In other words, he will lose money.
No, 9 or 10 people with similar sounding names are still alive. I mean, there are about 2 dozen people in my town with my same first and last name, and 5 that have the same middle initial...or do you think all muslim/arab/persian names are unique?
that means the plane had enough energy in the fuel alone to heat 1000 tons of steel by 1400 degree Celsius . How much steel in 1 level of WTCs?
So lemme get YOUR theory straight all mighty Bush and his neo-con army managed too get the media, wtf workers, engineers, eye witness, governments, terrorists, etc to cooperate with their plan, yet they couldn't manage to plant WMD in Iraq, or produce a ounce of progress in Iraq, so as to avoid the lowest approval ratings since Nixon?
No, he said that the asbestos fireproofing was on one third of the one tower. The rest of the towers were coated with a different type of fireproofing, which was far inferior to the asbestos.
Bzzzt wrong answer, Underwriter Laboratories had NOTHING to do with the steel of the WTC. Mr. Ryan has been completely discredited and was fired from his job for attempting to attach his employers name to his conspiracy ravings.
I also love how all these conspiracy theorists think the government want a police state, this sentimentality has been going on since the 60's, yet I can still pursue life liberty and happiness. SO either they are not good at it or there aren't any conspiracies. OR wait lemme guess this is because of all the hard work of conspiracy theorists right?
"But if conspiracies exist, they rarely move history; they make a difference at the margins from time to time, but with the unforeseen consequences of a logic outside the control of their authors: and this is what is wrong with 'conspiracy theory.' History is moved by the broad forces and large structures of human collectivities.