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Originally posted by LDragonFire
Originally posted by jsobecky
Well, the very minimum it proves is that those who say Iran is not interfering in Iraq are living with their heads stuck in the sand.
That was not the issue! But it is likely they are involved its the neighboring country that has been blown to hell involving a Illegal War!!
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Originally posted by jsobecky
They have been brainwashed into believing that Iran is innocent of anything bad.
Ok first of all Im a dissenter I don't automatically believe Everything my government says....I have, as we all do Good Reason Not Too. What about you?
Originally posted by LDragonFire
So what about the fundamentalist christens groups that are sending money to Israel so they have money to build settlements on land that was forcibly taken from Palestinians Not to mention the millions if not billions of money and weapons that flow to Israel from the USA.....maybe thats why they are funding what we call terrorist groups.
Originally posted by LDragonFire
I believe Ron Paul might be one that can help with this problem, not make it worse. What do you think of him jsobecky?? any thoughts??
Originally posted by LDragonFire
and you still say that Iran is suppling weapons and material to kill our troops even though you or anyone else right now can't prove it
Originally posted by Vanguard223
Stellar, You are a professional board troll. Go outside sometime and get away from the internet.
I think you might be the one who gets the "re-education" then. There's a REAL world out there that you are currently out of touch with. The sky is not blue in your world.
I have stated my beliefs, based on fact, in several previous posts.
I'm not going to re-state them for someone who just likes to argue for the sake of it. Go back and read.
I think it's odd that someone as "educated" and "all knowing" as you doesn't recognize his own behavior on these boards for what it is....malignant narcissim.
You and only you know the truth and everyone else needs to be "re-educated". Laughable.
Originally posted by Vanguard223
It's possible to find articles and opinions supporting both sides but Iran has been known to support terrorism in the past.
Are we to believe that they suddenly became nice guys, especially with the rhetoric coming out of their president's mouth lately?
Originally posted by Vanguard223
You don't have to love Bush to know that Iran is heading down the road to international sanctions and opening themselves up to possible military action.
They are enriching uranium for use in nuclear weapons while saying they only need nuclear power for "peaceful" purposes.
At the same time, Amadinijad (sp?) has said Israel should be wiped off the map.
You'd be in an uproar if Bush had said something like that.
Also, Iran is supplying terrorists in Iraq with weapons and working to further destabilize the country.
By the way, I'm not a Bush lover. I want the man gone.
Originally posted by Jaruseleh
I'd just like to point out that the intel we had said it was a "sure bet" that saddam had WMD's.
Even the democrats voted to go to war for this..
.not to mention George Tennet was head of CIA at the time...Clinton appointed head of CIA.
I'm really getting tired of everyone saying "bush lied" about the wmd's, because there's a long list of names you have to add with his if you want to use that argument.
Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
This is a pretty big deal!! A presidential candidate actually coming out and saying what we all know is going to happen.
Do you think there will be a Tonkin Incident say 'sinking' or 'attacking' of the aircraft carriers. Or will it just be out of the blue with WMDS Terrorisim etc used as an excuse afterwards? The U.S clearly can't go to the U.N with this can they?
Originally posted by Vanguard223
Iran is backing Hezbollah.
Iran is supplying arms and technical support to the insurgency in Iraq.
We have already caught Iranian advisors and captured Iranian equipment inside of Iraq.
I'm not saying we should invade Iran...that's the last thing I'm saying. What I'm saying is that the U.S. needs to send a clear message to Iran to let them know that we won't tolerate them killing our troops by proxy.
A nice air strike on their naval assets should do the trick.
Let them know beforehand that if we capture another Iranian or find another Iranian made rocket in insurgent hands, we're going to sink their entire navy....every ship.
Then do it if we catch them aiding the insurgency again. Iran is already killing American soldiers and that shouldn't go unpunished.
Originally posted by widukindHH15gran
Aaaah isn,t it difficult to explain preemptive strike to the public. It was dificult back in medieval europe aswell, many kings lost wars because they didnt succeed in convincing the public.
I think the danger point is the minute iran has about 1 kilo of plutonium which they can then easily be hidden in a thick lead box somewhere never to be found even by satelite.
From that point on it will mean they can start a nuclear dirty bomb blackmail program.
You dont have to wait for them to develope a nuclear weapon, because the dirty bombs are just as affective and Iran should have them ready for christmass this year.
It just my opinion, but I think they could use them to threaten saudi arabia and isreal first, and london would be their next ambition once thats settled.
The Iranian pres. is unpredictabland very menacing with some of the statements he made the past two years.
They know there will be retailiation, but hey, he dont care because his regime is suicidal and very anxious to join allah a soon as possible anyways.
North corea backed off because china pressured them to do so.
Why, because japan was going to nuclear arm itself, and it wasn,t in chinas interest to have japan with 500 one thousand megaton nuclear tripple RRR bombs aimed at them.
It surprises me to fianlly see france making good sense, I cant understand why my country germany is remaining so low key on this issue, I guess october fests last all year round now these days overthere. A terrorist event of some sort should wake them up. I agree with the idea that some sort of warning and message should be sent to iran like the idea mentioned earlier about taking out thier military naval capabilities.
That should do the trick but Im not so sure it will work.
Iran knows it can last a long time in its many mountainous valleys, I think america needs to quickly develope a new type of special bomb that works in similar way like dry ice does, dry ice works its way down into the ground and not up.
All y you can smoke the rats out of thier holes. Besides they should be developed anyways to be sure the himalayan mountainous valleys are well taken care of in the event of a future war with china.
Nuclear weapons just dont quit do the trick quit yet. Well to conclude, even though Im a democrat, however I agree with bush that time is running out quickly, and a good solution would be to get some help from russia and germany to put some pressure on Iran.
The clock is ticking and simple citizens dont understand whats at stake.
I used to work for the british army of the rhine in germany 30 years ago and understand well the question of preemptive strike.
Hopefully it doesnt come to war with Iran, but I think a nutcase Iranian pres will never back off.
Originally posted by Equinox99
So now it is not like Ron Paul is the only one saying this, it is also Bush,
and the former CIA operative. Well guess what America, you guys are headed
to a new age of war, and a new age of terrorists. Iraq was not even as big
as Iran is, and once you guys target them I think some sort of Shieks will
call for a jihad.
They will start protesting because USA has only attacked Islamic countries.
Afghanistan, Iraq, and pretty soon Iran. Muslims from all over the world will
not take this lightly. This will spiral out into a religion war.
But that is just my prediction, don't hold your breath!
Originally posted by Jaruseleh
Originally posted by manzoor
the blaiming game has already started bush saying iran backing terrorists etc as much as i dont want war i no it will happen damn bush!
Yes, "damn bush!" Nevermind that Iran is working on Nuclear weapons and even France, [sarcasm]One of our staunchest allies[/sarcasm], said military action is needed if Iran doesn't knock it off.
yes, damn bush.
Originally posted by Equinox99
Well if Bush attacks before he leaves office, then the next president is going
to be left fighting this war. Yes, USA wants to be in and out, but Iran is not very dumb. Iran knows US has soldiers in Iraq, and that is where they will probably
hit them very hard. So basically Iraq has a good chance of being a big grave
site for both sides.
Originally posted by Pfeil
Personally, I think the only reason we stayed out of Iran is because the limited number of voluntary soilders the US could deploy. If the US wants to go into Iran more soldiers will be needed. So I would say to expect some kind of "terror attack" in Iraq, something that could be blamed on the Iranians. Something that would turn opinion of Iran even further into the negative. Something that may cause mass volunteering of people into the military. I truley believe if the US went to war with Iran the draft would be reinstated. Maybe this is the reason for the recent troop deployment to Washington D.C. and other odd troop movements in the US....to quell any riots.
[edit on 29/8/07 by Pfeil]
I agree with you - if the US go into Iran (or probably before) I think you're gonna see the draft re-instated in the US. I can't see any other way they could pull it off. I can't however, see many European countries joining in really - France and the UK are not really trusted politically by most of Europe any more...they are in far too deep with Bush now... It's all a big stupid mess though.
J.
Originally posted by West Coast
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Funny how we did nothing about a nuclear North Korea....hmmm maybe it is about the oil!!!
We did somthing, korea is a success, we are "doing something" the diplomatic way. Iran continues to defy the international community. France, who is notoriously weak on such stances said, that they would be willing to chip in in the form of military action if it meant stopping a nuclear capable Iran. Its not just the US who is noticeably worried.
The difference between North Korea and Iran is, Iran is actually threatening to wipe isreal off the map. Korea never made such threats.