Bush Warns US Will Confront 'Nuclear Iran'

Originally posted by West Coast
If the world lost the country with single largest economy (the foundation of the world economy) what happens to the rest of the interdependent world economy? Like a set of domino's, it all falls down.

Yes I used to believe that too. hey, nobody's saying it wouldn't hurt, but if you had to cut off an arm to save your life, you'd do it.

The 'single largest economy' borrows $2+ billion per day from the rest of the world just to stay afloat.

Anyway, it's a bit of a red herring. with $40+ trillion of basically worthless financial paper in the form of OTC derivatives floating around, the subprime issue is the tip of the iceberg. The US dollar will burn, and a US recession will doubtless follow, whether or not the chinese dump their trillion of dollar assets.

sorry for the off topic response, but the sooner some people realise how financially vulnerable the US and rest of the west is, the better.

Better teach your kids mandarin

[edit on 29-8-2007 by RogerT]

Originally posted by marg6043
Why I have the feeling that it smells like propaganda, to set the stage for a possibility of a terrorist attack on US soil and the rights to retaliate against Iran.

Yes. . . September is just around the corner.

We need more reason?

The guy is a nutcase and has been doing everything he can to keep Iraq in turmoil with us. He spouts off about blowing israel off the face of the earth first nuclear chance they get.

Besides, you know George Bush, he don't need a reason anymore. He just does whatever he wants. I think we all seen this coming for a long time now.

sorry for the off topic response, but the sooner some people realise how financially vulnerable the US and rest of the west is, the better.

Yep, it wouldn't take much I'll tell ya that. Precarious situation to say the least

Originally posted by Dan5647
IMO, I think Iran is conjuring up an alliance of many different anti-American countries using anti-American propaganda in order to justify that pursuing nuclear technology and using it to literally scare Israel and the West is right. Just look at what Ahmadenijad said when he deemed to "wipe Israel off the map". Doesn't that mean anything to you? This is the big threat that us Americans and Israel are concerned about.

You have ONE example? What's more it's based on a LIE, surprise!

Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's president has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map." Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made.

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "regime." pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

www.antiwar.com...

And you said something about anti-US propaganda?
My friend, the world doesn't need "propaganda" to put the US in bad daylight.

Imagine 10 years ago someone telling you, hey this middle eastern country might develop a bomb in 20 years. 99% of the people would react with a blank stare or a "so?". Now everyone is so scared #less that the first reaction is "oh we gotta do something about that!".

But oh yes, I guess "the world changed after 9/11".

here goes bush after another war for his agenda there is no iranian threat never will be they have the right to nuclear energy and who made america the boss and whys israel alooud them they after all pose a threat in the mid east also i support them 100% theres no bomb being made and they have the right to advance and make strides

Basket case Bush throws another tantrum. Whats new! Someone do the world a favour and put this moron where he belongs. In a padded cell next to Cheney. It's about time some one had the balls to confront this imbecile and gave him a piece of their mind. I certainly would given half a chance. For all of those who buy into Bush's lies and propaganda bull in regards to Iran.

PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The more I listen to the drivel from this man, the more I begin to realise just how far every government in the west has decended into the gutter since this waste of space took office.

Wise words by Kindred above,i couldnt have said it better

Bush is a pathetic little man that couldnt even handle his drinks,and if it wasnt for his wife would be flat on his back lifeless with a pretzel stuck in his throat

I also love the way he does a lot of these media things with war vets!

How can those brave men who rose for their country when needed and spilled blood overseas stand in the same room as that draft dodging coward?It just amazes me,the chaps a cowardly allcoholic drug abuser and these war vets are happy to be used for this world stage pantomine as he does his normal angry rant thing!

I hope he eats another pretzel soon while the good lady is doing some shopping

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Is to many things going on right now with our nation, the housing bubble crash millions of Americans facing foreclosure, the reports from Iraq not looking very good, the elections next year and the GOP looking bad. . .

Somebody has to boost the public confidence and patriotism and what else than another terrorist attack linked this time to Iran.

I am starting to see the next coming month with a very nagging feeling in my hart.

Sabre rattling? I wonder?

If another terrorist attack does take place. There's just no way anyone would believe Iran was responsible. No matter how damning the falsified evidence might be. They have no reason to attack America, why would they. Plus I dont think they are that stupid either, as it would be suicide.

noangels
Bush is a pathetic little man that couldnt even handle his drinks,and if it wasnt for his wife would be flat on his back lifeless with a pretzel stuck in his throat

I also love the way he does a lot of these media things with war vets!

How can those brave men who rose for their country when needed and spilled blood overseas stand in the same room as that draft dodging coward?It just amazes me,the chaps a cowardly allcoholic drug abuser and these war vets are happy to be used for this world stage pantomine as he does his normal angry rant thing!

I hope he eats another pretzel soon while the good lady is doing some shopping

Yeah, It's crazy. I dont understand these people either, regardless of their patriotism towards their country. How can anyone whose considered honorable even put themselves in this position. Especially considering, honor is a quality Bush is completely devoid of.

Maybe we should all send Bush a life time supply of pretzels from the bottom of our hearts. Surely that will help increase the odds that he will eventually choke on one. A good damage limitation exercise. Who says we cant make a difference in this crazy world of ours.

History is repeating itself with Iran and, again, it smells as fishy as an old tuna boat. There's NO way the Bush/neocon wackos are addressing the notion (or reality) of a nuclear-armed Iran like anything resembling normal, rational, reasonably intelligent people. There's CLEARLY sociopathic, secretive manipulating and troublemaking going on.

IF the Iran situation is what it appears to be (which it clearly isn't) - meaning they are a purely adversarial-as-advertized threat to the US, Israel and the West - here's how a normal head of state would react: Calmly, securely and with no worries. The (normal) head of state would simply make a few statements to this effect:

"So it appears the Iranians are bent on having nuclear weapons. Fine. As Clint Eastwood (as Dirty Harry) would say, "Go ahead, make my day." The instant they, God forbid, strike Israel or anyone or anywhere else, there would BE no more Iran. We and our allies have more than enough weaponry to vaporize any country and all its inhabitants on this planet... and then some. Nobody is THAT stupid. In short, there's nothing to worry about."

The psychology of the neocon pathocrats is rather transparent. I just wish we could know exactly what it is they're lying about.

I believe the Force is with the whistleblowers. Evolution of consciousness definitely is. The human race and the planet need new knowledge; however weird some or much of it is.

I'm not into posting much any more. I'm more of a blogger now. If you search the display name (2nd blank from top) Lightworth on MySpace, that's me. Ciao.

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Most of us are not aware of the geographic location in Iran and it’s constraints. Let’s look at a few simple facts. As an introduction, a brief cite from Wikipedia:

“The Strait of Hormuz is a narrow, strategically important waterway between the Gulf of Oman in the southeast and the Persian Gulf in the southwest. On the north coast is Iran (Persia) and on the south coast is the United Arab Emirates and Musandam, an exclave of Oman.
The strait at its narrowest is 21 miles wide, having two 1-mile-wide channels for marine traffic separated by a 2-mile-wide buffer zone, and is the only sea passage to the open ocean for large areas of the petroleum exporting Persian Gulf States. Some 40 percent of the world's oil supply passes through the strait. For this reason, the strait is an important strategic military location in the Middle East.”

What does all of this suggest? Initially, since Iran fully intends to dominate the Middle East, it will do so by closing the Strait of Hormuz.
Iran’s military industrial complex should be flattened to stop production of :

!) Their new medium- range land-to-sea missile, dubbed "Kowsar", which is capable of resisting electronic jamming systems and is equipped with remote- control and searching systems. As I previously mentioned, it appears that Iran has the capability to mass-produce the new missiles.

2) Iran’s new cruise missile called SSN4, or Raad, capable of hitting targets 300 kilometres away in the sea of Oman and northern Indian Ocean. The SSN4 missile has the final range of 350 kilometers, can carry a 500 kilo warhead and can fly at low altitude. It appears capable of evading radar jamming and may withstand electronic measures.

3) Iran’s new surface-to-surface missile called Saegheh or lightning in Farsi, which has a range of between 80 and 250 kilometers (50 and 155 miles). The Iranians also are said to be developing a stealthy airborne missile, so just pick one of the above).

4) Iran’s new Azarakhsh, or "Lightning," a home grown, Iranian produced jet fighter, reportedly modeled on the U.S. F-5 jet. The Iranian military also redesigned an F-18 fighter jet and dubbed it Saegheh, or "Thunder," which was publicly test-flown earlier this year.

5) Iran’s new " sonar-dodging, hyper-speed underwater missile-torpedo," (The “Hoot”) made of radar absorbing materials, which news reports say was tested during recent military exercises in the Persian Gulf area.

As of late 2003, Iran possesses the second largest ballistic missile force in the third world (behind that of the DPRK) and is on the verge of developing a space launch vehicle and intercontinental ballistic missiles. See www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/Missile/index.html

The preceding list left out submarines, shipping, explosive production, etc. We all know how many ordinances the Iranians are shipping to kill our boys in Iraq, so why belabor the obvious?

Having observed the preceding, there are artillery shells that can fire further than 21 miles, the width of the Strait at its narrowest point. Iran wants to be able to close the Strait indefinitely, and that’s obviously why they are going to such great lengths to enhance conventional and nuclear capabilities. Any normal person can easily discern that they are preparing to fight a protracted war. And all the while, we negotiate, which buys them more and more time to build up further. Iran is not far from their objective; they just need time.
Clearly, Iran intends to dominate the geopolitics of the Middle East, and is presently the premier Arab power in the region.
Now becomes the question as to why Iran want’s to dominate the geopolitics of the Middle East. Essentially, the Iranians’ appear to be ruled by fanatical Muslims. They embrace a holy book we think of as the Koran, or Qar’an. The Qar’an is not friendly to Christians or Jews.
The following are two illuminating cites from the Qar’an.

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful”. [Qur'an 9:5]
“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!” [Qur'an 9:29-30]"
The bottom line appears to be that the Qur’an requires world domination, and we are part of the world they want to dominate. They might settle for destroying Israel, but their holy book requires them to rule the world under an Islamic system of government.
Of equal importance is balancing the power vacuum we have left by invading Iraq.
Having declawed Iraq, when we leave there will be absolutely nothing to stop Iran from invading Iraq outright, or more likely from manipulating Iraq vis-a-vis Islamic theocracy. In the latter event, we will be faced with a greater threat than before we arrived on the Iraqi scene. Wouldn't that be a terrible waste?
I really don't have the answers, but do comprehend that we have imbalanced the region by declawing Iraq. Washington may eventually recognize that it will be necessary to restore the geopolitical balance by decimating the Iranian military industrial complex. However, by viewing an extremely abbreviated list of Iranian hardware being manufactured, it would not be a simple matter to flatten the Iranian military industrial complex. While we were negotiating, the Russians recently sold Iran an advanced missile defense system. Defeating Iran may now be a most onerous task indeed. Iran builds up more, and we talk more. Who’s making progress?
On the bright side, the House of Saud is still intact, and is probably more concerned about Iran than we are at the moment. During this brief time (should the radicals be defeated) the House of Saud has a chance to retain power. Saudi Arabia is admittedly a primary exporter of Islamic terrorism, and a huge backdoor financier of terrorism. The House of Saud is between a rock and a hard place, since their Imam’s require their financing of global terrorism, sort of like tithing to them. If the House of Saud were to be not at all compliant, they would lose power, since the Imams control a lot of power there. Under a best case scenario, should the House of Saud not assist with decimating the Iranian military industrial infrastructure, they won’t survive longer than five to ten years. Like the Palestinian saying goes, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
All this having been noted, a single Iranian atomic weapon will decimate Israel, and would cripple America, and the Iranians may have one by 2008. They appear fanatical enough to use it when they have it
America must become energy self-sufficient, the importance of which cannot be overstated. The question is whether there is time for America to achieve energy self-sufficiency prior to neutralizing Iran’s capabilities? Looks like we better get busy on all fronts.
As a practical matter, a dominant Iran is a huge liability to oil exports going through the Strait, so big business will hopefully make the call to neutralize the Iranian threat. Eventually, this may not be perceived as a moral issue, but as a business issue. If Iran remains unchecked, they will close down the Strait when they are ready. I’d merely opine that Iran’s closing down the Strait is a guarantee, should they remain on course. By the time the Iranians are done, that may be the least of our worries.

Well they say Rome burned while Nero fiddled and that history repeats itself.

the majority of people do not realize just how precarious a situation the united states economy is in.

GDP growth is 2.7 percent less inflation (2.7) = O growth

and the CPI numbers for inflation are cooked!

they are more like 8 percent inflation right now, when you include energy and all foods as well as other costs of living and that is just the BEGINNING

growth w/ the real numbers is already more than 5% in the RED

the federal reserve is all out of bubbles folks, they must continue to inflate the money supply and create credit to keep their GLOBAL CASINO's ( futures trading, hedgefunds, derivatives, etc) GOING. with an increase in money supply and no large bubbles to inflate guess where the money is going? Consumer Prices. anything denominated in dollars will also go up because it will be repriced.

so oil especially and gold as well will go up. (prob. food stock too)

THIS IS WHY THE CFR IS hell bent on creating a NAU, they can see the writing on the wall.

the pundits on tv are LIKE the TITANIC ORCHESTRA they will keep playing like everything is fine to hold off A PANIC

bush will go into iran, and a false flag may be used to DIVERT BLAME for the coming economic fallout ( the middle class KO punch).

the wild card is what the actions of world central banks will due, they can stave off a rapid depreciation of dollars, and consumer price inflation because they can buy ever greater amounts of dollars and invest them in dollar assets (like they have) they are also depreciating all fiat currency by inflating like gang busters. the problem is the u.s consumer is out of gas and will realize it when the credit card industry is the next shoe to drop from the subprime fallout, and consumers in china and india are being groomed to take over where american's are not as capable, and the world central banks may adjust their dollar purchasing habits or abandon them (and that is the key)

[edit on 1-9-2007 by cpdaman]

irans imanutcase has already said israel should be wiped of the map, he is very religous & may well like the idea of becoming the biggest martyr in iran, i dont like the idea of such a man with any plutonium.
so if any one goes to war with iran befor they get a nuke may involve a nasty war with conventional weapons. after iran gets a nuke then what ?, a nuke war with every one in the west ??.
with a choice of bad or worse, i choose bad. wich may be bombing iran with none nukes.

ps* iran may be fighting us & uk troops by proxy supplying weapons in iraq, would iran do the same with a nuke some where in the west ?.
just remember there are millions of muslims that would jump at the chance to go to heaven with 40 virgins as the first nuclear islamic martyr !!!!.

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a.irans president did not say wipe israel of the map i saw it on some aritcle but 100% sure he didnt say that its just fox,sky and bush playing with your head and seems to be working, typical.

iran has no nukes and only wants nuclear power for peace but you huys cant get that into your head if attacked by the west the chances are hight that iran may develop a bomb ONLY to deffend them selves from the attackers, if attacked by the west iran has the right to deffend its self with all means at its disposal i dont think the war will be done in a few hours,days,weeks but never, you attack iran you make one big mistake and you will have to face the consequences.

the iranians will be no push over we seen how they have developed new weapons such as a few mentioned above a post and a us led airstrike will strenghten the iranians and make them want to fight on same as you see in iraq now.

if nukes are used by the west then i am sure going to be p****d off

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im quite happy to face what ever iran can throw at me as long as imanutcase is stopped from getting his hands on plutonium.
maybe you should read the quran & see what it has in store for you as an unbeleiver.
i also point out that in iran hitler is seen as a hero. & imanutcase also refuses to admit that the holocaust actually happened !!!.
ask your self what may have happened if every one just let hitler do what he wanted ????.
iran looks like an early germany prepping for war. & you want to let this just carry on !.

people are stupid, because by nature they are easily manipulated and thus ignorant.

the world is so complex, and decisons are made behind closed doors that most people would shudder to even imagine, never mind carry out.

the world is obviously far from perfect with so much fraud, and deception yet i think people's expectations of world peace and such are fantasy and when they realize the gov't lies they feel betrayed (thanks to the naivity of believing they were ethical in the first place) , and that compared to other times in history, todays leaders (although corrupt in every sense) are really not as bad, considering the complex nature of world affairs, and the general increase in the standard of living people experience ( although their are glaring exceptions and massive suffering) however the population is so very large now compared to past century's.

the world is facing such a level of uncertainty in the future that i don't blame people from being ignorant or naive, it is better than realizing the potential and likely disasters in the near future (i.e 20 years or less) or at least the fall of the american empire, and to be fair most people lives revolve around their families, and then finding time to have fun in between the drain of working (and there is absolutely nothing wrong w/ that)

all the strikes/ attacks and true conspiracy's are like little chess pieces moving on the greater boardgame of a society's life cycle.

all signs are pointing to the fall of the american empire. as the accout deficit continues to grow faster than GDP growth, the foriegn banks that are financing the united states (thru exporting inflation) and investing in dollar assets will diversify away from these dollar purchases as long as the above recent trend continues, and with the u.s having to pay 20 BILLION more each year in INTREST ALONE to foreign debtors combined with subprime fallout about to hit the credit card industry combined w/ rising energy costs and falling house values the TREND is likely to accelerate as the consumer is suffocated (while the asian and indian consumers are ready to take their place in the world economy)

The military actions from a change in the economic world order from a powerful west to a powerful east as well as the literal eliminatiion of borders and the creation of unions is likely to make for very turbulent times.


[edit on 2-9-2007 by cpdaman]

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first i am a muslim and have read the quran and iran is no threat my opinion and your country is seen as the aggressor in the muslim world not iran, you want to go war then go i hope when it comes and you see that it was a big mistake no nukes,your troops dieing you will see how much of a mistake it is america playing the big cop well they are not welcome america is not untouchable you shall see in the coming mounths

regards manzoor

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Hey manzoor, I respect people of all religions, races, and sexes. I think the reason why we view Iran as an enemy is because Ahmadenijad is nuts! He said he wanted to "wipe Israel off the map". Would you want someone like him to have access to nuclear capabilities? It doesn't make it right for him to threaten Israel and think its going to be OK. Even though I'm not Jewish, I believe the people of Israel have a right to live in their country, just like you have the right to live in the UK.

Here is some evidence for what Ahmadenijad said:

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UK news
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Look up "Ahmadenijad" + "wipe israel off map" on Google and you will come up with 3070 results!

[edit on 2-9-2007 by Dan5647]