Israel Assassinates 11 Yr Old Sitting In A Fig Tree

Israel is living in a savage part of the world. I’m not saying the killing of a child by a soldier should not be dealt with, but when a bomb blows up in an Iraqi market killing 80 plus women and children where are the posts? When a group of men go into a small town of people and kill everyone they can find because their religion is not muslin where are the posts? You all know I can go on and on, but here we need to talk about Israel who is in the fight for its life. As you all know Israel has had nukes for a long time but they do not use them, can the same thing be said about most of the other countries over there if they had nukes too? The only thing that even keeps those countries in check against Israel is the only thing they respect, brute force. They know Israel will go all out and that is something Israel knows must be done even if they would not want to do it.

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Do you not see it as desperate retaliation? How else can it be seen? What would you do if your enemy got put in your backyard by the biggest person in your neigborhood? And the big bully protected only what your enemy did, and allowed them to invite their friends and reletive to move into your backyard. All of a sudden the enemy calls your back yard THEIR home, and starts getting money from the bully to build more weapons and keep their army patrolling your yard, keeping you locked inside, while telling the rest of the neighborhood that you are the bad person.

This is "in a nutshell" what has happened.

AAC

[edit on 1-9-2007 by AnAbsoluteCreation]

While we're on the subject of Palestinian economy:

The Palestinian economy refers to the economy of the Palestinian territories, including the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza strip. Recent geopolitical events have severely damaged the economy of the territories. In September 2000, the Second Intifada began. The increased Palestinian violence and checkpoint closures associated with the conflict caused a recession in 2001-02. The World Bank compared this recession to the Great Depression of 1929 [1]. In 2006, Hamas won legislative control of the Palestinian Authority (PA), triggering a halt in international aid from countries labelling it a terrorist organization, including the United States, members of the European Union, and Israel.[citation needed]
As of December 2006, unemployment has risen from 23% in 2005[1] to over 50%. Two-thirds of Palestinians are living below the poverty line. In the last four months, approximately 10,000 have emigrated from the territories, and approximately 50,000 have applied to do so. For the past nine months, the 160,000 civil service workers, who are the primary breadwinners for a third of households, have not received their full salaries due to the cuts in foreign aid.[2]

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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
[Do you not see it as desperate retaliation? How else can it be seen? What would you do if your enemy got put in your backyard by the biggest person in your neigborhood? And the big bully protected only what your enemy did, and allowed them
This is "in a nutshell" what has happened.

Lol ok...

Let’s see the French and Brit ruled all of that area and the Brits made a large chunk around what Israel is today into a Palestinian state, and in 1923 the Brits chopped off 75% of it that became Jordan after U.N. Resolution 181 created 25% into Jewish Palestinian state and the other 75% into Arab Palestinian state. Then in 1948 the State of Israel was declared and so came war that they won, then further war that they won in 1967. Then at the Camp David accords they signed over to Egypt the Sinai Desert and ended up with 800,000 Palestinian Arabs refugees. Now, I like your backyard story, but if Israel is not a country then a lot of other countries are not one too.

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Let us go back even further...

By 1880 there are fewer than 25,000 Jews living in Palestine, while the total world population of Jews is estimated at 10 million.

Just 68 years before the the independent tate of Israel. 25,000? I wonder if there was a movement in the making long before this to take the palestinian land. Let's see:

Meanwhile, in the European Jewish Diaspora, the Zionist movement begins to grow amid rising antisemitism. Largely secular in nature, the movement's prime goal is the creation of a Jewish nation-state in Palestine. Funds are set up to buy land and Jewish resettlement is encouraged. By the start of the First World War there are around 85,000 Jews in Palestine, comprising about 12% of the total population.

Remember, Zionist worked with the Nazis to smuggle jews to that region as well.

Inside Palestine the Zionist movement adopts socialist methods of organisation, exemplified by the "kibbutz" collective settlements. The new approach is known as Labor Zionism. One of it's foremost advocates is David Ben-Gurion, later to be the first prime minister of Israel.

Here is something most do not know...

The increasing influx of Jews into Palestine begins to concern the Arab residents, who start to agitate for their own independent state.

After the outbreak of the First World War the British promise to back the creation of independent Arab states.

In response the Arabs launch the 'Arab Revolt' against the Ottomans, ensuring the Allies' victory in the Middle East.

But wait, the labor Zionists must put a stop to that, it will ruin their plans. So...

However, the British will never honour their pledge to the Arabs in general and the Palestinians in particular, shifting their commitment in the Balfour Declaration of 2 November 1917 to "the establishment in Palestine of a National Home for the Jewish People."

This was always political pressure that ensure Israel their state, now the palestinians are kept locked up and policed, hoping to drive them out of the region through a war of attrician.

I don't really care whos' land it is, I want what is fair, and that is for Israel to give the Palestinians the chance they deserve, or pull out of the affiars all together. But that won't happen, because the Zionists want expansion, expansion, expansion.

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AAC

Originally posted by WestPoint23
That's not how the ROE's should be. A counter sniper or any military solider must confirm the target before taking the shot. Especially if there is no fire coming from a particular direction or area. Shooting at individual people while not engaged in a current fire fight is a little different.

So get shot first, then shoot back.


On the issue of the kid, it depends. If it was an active military zone, then I'm not surprised it happened, if it was a sunny, peaceful day, then there are answers to be needed.

Honestly though, it's Palestine. Were you really shocked?

Seeing as their a Palestinian, anti-Israeli news agency, there is a bias to be expected, and certain evidences to be hidden. Everyone has their biases and objectives.

As was said numerous times, this was confirmed to have been a casualty due to crossfire. I don't really think rules of engagement etc applies here as it was unintentional. According to Al-Jazeera, no one pointed a gun at the kid or assessed him as a target, he was caught in crossfire.

It's a real shame. Somehow this thread has become a large scale discussion of Israel vs. Palestine, which overshadows the real tragedy here.

When people fight, often times the young and innocent are the ones who get hurt and lost in the shuffle while people continue to spout off about their political/religious ideals.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation

By 1880 there are fewer than 25,000 Jews living in Palestine, while the total world population of Jews is estimated at 10 million.

Just 68 years before the the independent tate of Israel. 25,000? I wonder if there was a movement in the making long before this to take the palestinian land. Let's see:

I’m not sure what is fair here for the Arab world has done little to help the Palestine people in the Gaza strip and since Jordan is the Arab Palestine maybe they should help, but no Arab country really wants them since the 800,000 were just refugees that made a home in the Jewish Palestine land with Israel’s approval. When you look at what is fair, Israel gave back to Egypt a huge chunk of land rich in oil and just recently moved ALL Jewish settlements out of the Gaza strip and with the passing of government control over to the Palestine, the Hamas has taken over the government only to continue to not only fight Israel but each other. We are also talking about a 25 mile by 6 mile strip of land and to make that a country is a joke. Just looking at the map it should have always been Israel’s territory.

Ok, you need to look at all the populations. In the area of Israel there were 100,000 Arabs around the time of your 25,000 Jews quote. Between 1880 and 1948 under British rule immigrations on both side increased the populations to 1.3 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews. The splitting of the area into 75% Arab and 25% Jewish I would say was rather fair, and to further consider the 75% is now Jordan with its HUGE oil reserves I would say the Arabs by far got the best part of the deal.

You use the word “smuggled” as if they were doing a bad thing, and not just immigrating to the Jewish Palestine area.

Hmm, Hamas yesterday fired into an Arab crowd of unarmed protesters killing a 16 year old boy...

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You should post links to these stories so they may be examined outside of your implications.

And you should check this out if you don't understand the illegal smuggling of jews in that period.

US and British promised to make palestine an independent state for their help fighting the ottoman turks. But they renigged on that promise and turned around and supported Israel instead.

It's all there in history for all to understand and wrap their own head around. It was subversively taken from the palestinians, no matter how you want to look at it.

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
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You should post links to these stories so they may be examined outside of your implications.

And you should check this out if you don't understand the illegal smuggling of jews in that period.

US and British promised to make palestine an independent state for their help fighting the ottoman turks. But they renigged on that promise and turned around and supported Israel instead.

Population Here ya go.

I think the bottom line to all this is Israel could have easily expanded its territory after winning every war, but they didn't, and the countries that fought them never had any rights to the land in the first place for if that was the case then Jordan would be the one fighting. These wars are over the hatred of Jews by Arabs plain and simple, and the Gaza Strip is a problem the Arab countries enjoy watching. As example when Iran says they would nuke Israel if they could get their hands on nukes what does Iran have any business in the affairs in that area other than they hate Jews. This is the main problem, and I do not think Israel would be a threat to anyone if there were no threats towards Israel.

What? Israel is a threat to USA!!!

Check this out

Iran NEVER said they would nuke Israel, who are you getting your information from? If you're referring to "Wipe off the Map" that has been clarified by many experts and the Iranian President himself to indicate the Israeli regime, and the zionist hellbent on expanding Israeli borders.

Iranian jews Reject cash offer to move to Israel

If Iranians hated Jews, while did they reject the offer? Why do they ALWAYS keep a seat on their parliment for a jew to represent their people?

You my friend are swallowing a twisted reality IMHO.

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
But that won't happen, because the Zionists want expansion, expansion, expansion.

Yeah, this is what I always hear from people with your position. Expansion, expansion, expansion. Then why isn't Israel expanding? They have a tiny piece of land in the middle of the dessert and have made it bloom into a thriving country. They have one of the best airforces in the world. If they wanted to expand, as you claim, they would carpet bomb the entire middle east and eradicate all those people you claim they hate. The fact is there is more religious freedom for Arabs inside Israel than is inside their own respective countries. Do your OWN research.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
US and British promised to make palestine an independent state for their help fighting the ottoman turks. But they renigged on that promise and turned around and supported Israel instead.

Ok, and if they did, why are you going to blame Israel for U.S. and UK politics? Israel, and more importantly its citizens, want to live in a country free of persecution. But every day they have to fight for their right just to stay alive. Could you imagine if this was happening in a country like the U.S. or UK now and you had to fight every day for your right to stay alive?

Originally posted by pjslug
Ok, and if they did,

If? It's answers like this that make me realize who I'm debating with. :shk: Another indication of you allegiance rather than your clear perspective.

And pjslug, they will be trying to expand soon, getting the US to fear Muslims is just one way theu are going to achieve this. Also, there is a stark difference between israel and zionism. A lot of israelis do not want to expand, that is why it isn't done openly, but suversively. Just like there are some orthodox jews that do not even believe there should be a state of israel.

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
If? It's answers like this that make me realize who I'm debating with. :shk: Another indication of you allegiance rather than your clear perspective.

Obviously you didn't read the rest of the post before deciding to hit the quote button and select only the first few words of the sentence. I hate when people try to quote others out of context and then make them look like they are idiots. Deny ignorance, pal.

Also, there is a stark difference between israel and zionism.

Yes, I know this. I've written about this before in other threads. Zionism has been linked to horrible acts and is in many ways on par with naziism. I don't condone everything the Israeli government does, but I have family that moved there decades ago so I have a better idea of what goes on there on a daily basis than most might. But please don't confuse the will of the people with the will of the government. By doing that you propogate unnecessary hatred of a people, just as other countries are doing with the people of the U.S. now.

[edit on 9/2/2007 by pjslug]

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What are you talking about? I read the whole post, you disregarded the truth and went into a moot analogy. You attempted to compare apples & oranges. I was denying ingnorance, and it wasn't my own.

AAC

Um, Iran specifically stated "wipe ISRAEL off the map", you liar.

Also, the Romans are the ones who kicked the Jews off their lands, a full 600 years before Muslims. So, blame the Romans, but it's their land. They were forced off though.

In any case, Iran seems to be shutting up now that they got the full powers of the EU, NAU, and Israel backed up against them.

Originally posted by Gorman91
Um, Iran specifically stated "wipe ISRAEL off the map", you liar.

It was translated from arabic to english! :shk: That is why EXPERTS have clarified his interpretation. But if all you watch is FOX NEWS, of course you won't want to believe that.

"You liar?" Is the truth hurting you? I think so. Let it out bud.

Also, the Romans are the ones who kicked the Jews off their lands, a full 600 years before Muslims. So, blame the Romans, but it's their land. They were forced off though.

And the Americans booted the Indians, Mexicans, & British off USA, does that mean that they can come take it back? I mean... :shk: I only blame the people that are sadistically unfair, and that is Zionism.

In any case, Iran seems to be shutting up now that they got the full powers of the EU, NAU, and Israel backed up against them.

How does it feel to be off-base on your view of the world? I bet you get mad alot huh?

AAC