The Toynbee Mystery

So if your not familiar with this mystery, let me explain:
in cities and states and countries all over the world there are mysterious plaques embedded in the ground of unknown origin which state mysterious messages.

one popular message/clue?/hint?/ states the following;
Toynbee ideas in kubricks 2001 resurrect dead on planet jupiter.

There are hundreds more. the plaques themselves consist of tiles often of different colors and sizes embedded in interesctions with clues/phrases.

these mysterious Toynbee plaques are known to be in the following states:
philadelphia PA, pittsburgh PA, new york city NY, baltimore MD, aberdeen MD, edgewood MD, washington DC, columbus OH, toledo OH, cincinnati OH, cleveland OH, boston MA, atlantic city NJ, bellmawr NJ, chicago IL, indianapolis IN, st. louis MO, kansas city MO, detroit MI, mottville MI, rio de janeiro Brazil, buenos aires Argentina, santiago Chile

No one has been able to figure out who made the plaques, nor solve their mystery not even how they are actually embedded into the streets.

here are some pictures of the toynbee plaques themselves:

1. www.toynbee.net...

2. www.toynbee.net...

3. www.toynbee.net...

4. www.toynbee.net...

5. www.toynbee.net...

6. www.toynbee.net...

7. www.toynbee.net...

8. www.toynbee.net...


so as you can see there are many of these plaques usually of the same overall design construct. you can go here to find out more information on this mystery and to find the exact intersections in which they are placed.
>www.toynbee.net...

So I wonder who makes them(secret society?) also i wonder what exactly the message on them means it has been unsolved as of yet.

here are more pictures of them: these are pics of the toynbee plaques from the following areas;
in times square ny, philadelphia and washington dc
www.toynbee.net...

I did a small bit of reading up on it and most sources seemed to point toward a now dead carpenter who started the craze. The link you gave seems to suggest how they are made.

I personally think it is a type of street art which has simply caught on gaining more attention and others copying. No big conspiracy here im sure.

yes they mentioned in the link about a possible plastic applique that is applied and then heated, they also stated a possiblilty of the plaques being embedded being baked onto the road surface, or being of metal or being embedded by autombiles driving over them.

i'm not so sure about there being no conspiracy here, because being that the message located in these has not been solved that in itself is a semi conspiracy, also they think again in the linked source, that a gentleman born in 1898 had the name toynbee.

knights, can you please cite some info on the carpenter because i havent heard of that before.

however this is what we know so far: the name kubrick, the year/number 2001, the planet jupiter, and the phrase resurrect dead.

so i think that there is some sort of a conspiracy based on the fact we dont know for sure who the maker is or originally was, what the plaques are made of or how they are applied, nor what the message means.

It is assumed that Arnold J. is the Toynbee referred to on the Toynbee tiles.

en.wikipedia.org...

Tonybee is revolution from knowledge.

So if A.J Toynbee is the real creator of the original plaques or at least the creator of the idea. then I wonder why the message used would include that of kubricks 2001, which i believe was a movie. especially since A.J.Toynbee died in 75(? if i'm not mistaken). good find though malichai.

if kubricks 2001 is not a movie, what could it be?

Also another oddity is the three that are located at 49 and 5th avenue in new york city that state: 'murder evry journalist, i beg you' as taken from:
www.nytimes.com...

also as taken from the above source, this is stated, "..... He offers a psychological profile of the medallion maker: probably British; possibly lying low in Dover, England, as one plaque suggests; and possessing the financial and intellectual wherewithal to travel and install the signs......"

so maybe there are some of these signs in the uk or other unlisted places.

heres another link that talks about the medallions:citybeat.com...
and another one
www.toynbee.net...



[edit on 8/26/2007 by agent violet]

This seems to provide some motivation?



One person sees the plaque, researches it and either drop the idea or make their own. A meme:






source.

I got interested in these quite a few years
ago, and lost interest rather quickly.

They are interesting in a "street-art" kind
of way, and I'm surprised noone has ever
been caught putting them down.

Anyway, here is a pretty in-depth Site dealing with them.

Regards,
Lex

Edit due to speeling.

[edit on 26-8-2007 by Lexion]

A quick wiki reference to James Morasco may also show a further motivation for him to make the tiles or others to use his ideas and create the tiles are as follows:



Hope this helps also.

good site lex i haven't seen that one before, so it looks like we can narrow it down to morasco or a.j toynbee, so saying that it was their idea, how do you think that they got them embedded? and what do you think that they are made of? whoevers idea it was it has traveled quite a bit and so has the way to apply them, so i wonder how they do it.

someone mentioned by using glue. but it does appear that they are indeed embedded in the pavement itself. has anyone seen them in person?

A. Tonybee died in 1975. It was his writtings that inspired the trail.

But there is no source to where Tonybee said anything about resurection on Jupiter....

after reading lex's link once more it leaves several answers. as we know morasco, and the original a.j. toynbee have been connected. apparently there is 3 more suspects as well according to lex's link these suspects are: the minority association, railroad joe, and an unknown person from the eighties. now that link also states the writings involved which are, clark deleon, david mamet, crimethink ex workers' collective, next the article states three people that are influences in the medallion art these are, arnold j toynbee, stanley kubrick, and arthur c clark.

lastly they also list that there is indeed at least two different styles and time periods of the tiles.

so, how are they applied especially when located in some of the busiest intersections in the country?

The only mystery to me is why a person or persons would go to all the trouble of putting road markings all over the place that make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

fweshcawfee, you make a good point. why would they? i wonder.
however they apply them to the road, it must be a quick and semi easy way. it does seem like quite a lot of work especially since they are not permanent to the road surface itself. and to my knowledge noone has come forward and said they did it. so i onder if applying these things carries a penalty? could one get in trouble for doing this?

"Resurection on Jupiter" defintely sounds like something from the Space Odyssey trliogy. It reminds me of the Lucifer Project, rather chillingly.

AJ Toynbee's no relation to that rather annoying, opinionated journalist Polly Toynbee, is he?

I had never heard of these tiles. Thanks for bringing this topic here, AV. Very interesting indeed - no matter whether it was a fad started by one eccentric carpenter or much more than that, it is still very interesting to read on.

I made one in Tokyo back in 2003. I used la couple of sheets of linoleum, cut to my design (an homage to one of the originals). Layer 1: tar paper. layer 2: linoleum cut to my design. Stick that to the tar paper with asphalt cement.

Before you put it down, cover the back with asphalt cement. comes in a caulking tube, you use it to patch up asphalt shingles and so forth.

When you put it on the road, the idea is to cover the whole thing with another piece of tar paper to cover it all up. So: cut a piece of tar paper bigger than the tile, and affix it to the tile itself with more asphalt cement. put a bit more on the edges, and you`ve basically got a big black sticker.

Find a chunk of road that`s been paved recently, and just put it down. Takes seconds to do. Step on it once, and if the glue is fresh, that will be enough to hold it there.

After a few weeks of cars driving over it, the tar paper will be worn away, leaving your tile, nicely tamped into the road surface. Looks like it`s always been there.

As to why.... that`s something else. I`ve always been a fan of this kind of absurd public art. Something to make someone stop and scratch their head for a minute. Bring a bit of honest bafflement to someone`s life.

Already posted this to another Toynbee tile thread, but here it is again:

Found some videos on YouTube. All are posted by a user sbjim in Oct 2006. The first 4 are "Toynbee Blips" 1-4, and the 5th is called "The Navigator." All the videos are montages set to music with some text displayed on the screen. The connection, other than having Toynbee in the title, is that the first video includes the text of the classic Toynbee tile "Toynbee ideas in Kubrick's 2001...etc." The first 3 movies also display the words "Faith," "Resurrect," and "Chrysalis." The 4th movie says "Obey" and "Submit."

But most interesting is that videos 2-4 all say that "People are being resurrected on Jupiter." Note the use of present tense.

A comment posted on the first video mentions that 2001 was "a Toynbeean blueprint for building a "Jupiter Brain"."

Now, obviously, the chances of this youtube poster and the mystery Tiler being the same guy are remote, but they're obviously working on the same subject matter.

Does anyone know anything more on this "people being resurrected on Jupiter" bit?

I forgot to add, the second youtube video reads "They are suicides, not murdered" over top one of Adamski's "UFO" videos, in addition to saying "Faith," "Chrysalis," "Resurrection," and "People are being resurrected on Jupiter."

Any ideas?

Agent Violet, I like the way you think.

I see more to This Toynbee than meets the eye.

I see from his history that he was known for his family's shared trait brilliance. His father "I Think" was a reknowned economist, and he was a universal historian. They All had close ties to The Ruling Elite in England as well as at least 1 recent Honorary Knighthood.

If I were to make a speculation, I would say The plaques are a placed in the old "Northern Colonies" of the Americas saying in 2001 we will see the death or change of the commonwealth system.

European Union, North American Union talks, because of the success of NAFTA. New Currenices, Global Depression.

The Commonwealth's of Old Britain, includuding possibly the 2 Commonwealths of The US; Massachusetts, and Virginia.

America and Europe have Western Civilization ties. America is pushing forward the idea system of western capitalism, as is Britain. The middle east came into the forefront of the news in 2001. They do not share western values, nor entirely eastern.

The middle east litterally respresents neither.
Toynbee's biography on WIKI, goes onto say he in his concepts, has categorized most things by religion styles, and their prevalance to continue society, despite it's apparent failure to thrive economically, or through civil-collpase.

Roman Christianity Conqured The Goths, and Germanic barbarians. The roman state could not as it fell into stagnancy and apathy.

Communism is also a factor as it strictly enoforces social atheism. Athesim is another way to promote a social/economic agenda.

Anarchy can only last so long, before it gets policed some how.

There is always a new way to rebuild an ideal, through religion and business.

The Agenda and another speculation. Exclude the jupitor crap, that's probably just to throw someone off. The Speculation is what if this is a secret code to communicate the commencement of something global?

Maybe I'm just good at the six degrees of Kevin Bacon Game, and this really is nothing.

Or take me to your leader, My Tin Hat is crooked.

-ADHD