It was suggested that this topic have its own thread, noone has bothered yet, and I got impatient and started it myself here...
, suggesting the use of land mines for an effective border security method.
Originally posted by proteus33
YOU WANT TO SECURE ARE BORDER EASY. put up a mine field post it as a mine field in spanish english arabic and chinese. spread out around field
dead animal bones that are broken up. they will get the idea.
Is this a viable option? Could it be taken seriously as a good idea? Why not? The U.S. is not against the use of anti-personnel mines (having not
signed up on any international treaty to ban their use, i.e. Ottawa Treaty), so I believe it would be a legal option, right? Is the idea just morally
wrong to think of this option for protection?
I guess one concern if this option is viable or not is to try and determine a quick cost estimate of this project. So very quickly, say the
U.S.-Mexican Border is 3600 Km (sorry, use metric to make it easier). Say the "no-man's-land" is 1 Km wide. So that is a 1 Km wide border the
entire 3600Km distance, which makes for a 3600 square kilometer mine field or "no-man's-land".
1 square kilometer is 1 million meters squared. That multiplied by a 3600 Km border is 3.6 billion square meters in the mine field border zone.
So if you plant one mine per square meter, obviously you have roughly 3.6 billion mines to buy and plant.
Mines can be manufactured for as little as $3 dollars each apparently, and would probably be WAY cheaper on a 3.6 billion quantity order, so you might
get each mine for about .50 cents each maybe? Anyway, lets use $3 dollars per mine. So right off the bat, before we even go out on site and dig our
first post hole, we just spent 10.8 billion dollars cash into the american economy for land mines.
Now we got to get up and drive out to the site, plant mines, build two security fences (one on border, one a kilometer back to keep Americans from
wandering into the field), and re-arrange or accomodate any infrastructure within this security zone. Plus there is the huge profit margin that
Halliburton slams us with (Of course Haliburton will get this contract, who else would even have a chance at this tender?), so lets 2.5 times the cost
and call it 25 - 30 billion dolars into the economy to totally secure the south border. For now, trust the canadians to not abuse the north border too
Is that crazy cost justifiable? What cost is justifiable? Where do you draw the line between the negative aspects of illegal immigration and the costs
of securing the border to stop that illegal immigration? How much of a concern is illegal immigration to you, and how much are you willing to spend on
proper border security? 30 billion is a lot of money, but considering the debt is at about a zillion dolars now, and spenditures on the Terror War
must be up around a trillion now, is 30 billion that much to totally secure the south border? Or is illegal immigration not really that big of an
Are there other options for border security that would not cost near as much, but would be just as effective? I don't really think that hiring
another 100,000 border gaurds is really the right answer, but maybe... I don't know, what do you think?
Someone in that other thread had mentioned that so what if you sealed the south border, what about the coastlines? Well, one step at a time, sure
there would be more people sneaking in through the coastline, but there would be next to zero sneakins from the land border I would think. That would
be a huge number no longer coming in compared to the increasing numbers of coastline sneakins... No doubt, coastline sneakins would be the next
problem to deal with... Maybe that is another thread where we can discuss the training of great white sharks with lasers on their heads to protect
coastlines from swimmers and boats with immigrants onboard.
Some other issues to consider that i was wondering about while writing this:
-If the NAU comes into effect, than this certainly was a complete waste of money, time, and land space that would never be recovered.
-The canadian border (including alaska) is 8891 Km. Imagine the cost and logistical nightmare of securing that border...