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Consciousness shift experiences

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posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 02:13 AM
reply to post by Skyfloating

Buddhists say salvation comes from suffering. Experience of seeing others mistakes and from your mistakes. Trial and Error is humanities #1 survival dynamic.

Pain as in physical is useless. Physical pain is so primitive that the creators looking over us are punishing us by keeping this primitive alarm system in our genome. It's definitely punishment.

The pain we go through emotionally will force us to remove our masks, overcome our inner fears, stop living in denial, stop the envy, the jealousy and the lusting. In a day and age where we can fly tourists to space and still be driven by such primal instincts is embarrassing. We have been regressing now for a while. Humanity was godlike in the majority many, many years ago. The value of the human is at the lowest point right now, today and tomorrow, but not for long. Soon after lots of suffering and catastrophe, a new way of thinking will be born. Cycles it is, and cycles it will always be. We will learn from the horrors we caused, the wars and terror.

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 02:26 AM
yeah...thats what buddhists say. thats what all major religions say...they are all really keen on suffering. but by practicing appropriate thinking, speaking and acting today, I can easily do without suffering today...and will be more productive.

posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 02:25 PM
Suffering comes in many forms. You can make a mistake that will lead you to a period of solitude, when all passions and desires are non existent. You might never get a chance to indulge for a while, and may have to give up yourself. That is the ultimate sacrifice. The biggest of all.....the giving up of self. We as humans can experience lots of pleasure. We can eat a nice chocolate cake and suffer for it. We can have lots of sex and suffer for it. We can buy ourselves nice jewelery and clothes to lure the women in, and yes, we will suffer for it.

Give it all up, forget the emotional highs. Our endocrine system is a personal drug dealer for us all. We want the emotional high. We invent drama in our lives to feel alive, and some don't feel alive unless their is emotion involved. Very understandable, but it's not true. These emotions damage your health tremendously. Connect with yourself by connecting with nature first. Observe the beauty around you by going to the beach more, or a hiking trip. Get away from the artificial enviornment we created. To get in touch with god, you must be around nature constantly. But a dog or cat and respect it. Keep it around you and realize how much we have in common with them.

posted on Sep, 14 2007 @ 03:31 PM

StreetCorner Philosopher sez:
Beliefs have nothing to do with emotions.
Beliefs stem from the accumulation of analytical observation.
Actions are to emotions."

Ah, I believe I was misunderstood. Allow me to define the words I used so I know I am communicating what I originally intended:


Feelings associated with the body in the physical (i.e. Outer) environment.

Actions (i.e. a movement in moment building) associated with the physical (i.e. Outer) environment.

Feelings associated with the mind/heart in the mental/spiritual (i.e. Inner) environment.

Actions (i.e. a movement in moment building) associated with the mental/spiritual (i.e. Inner) environment.


Analytical observation is also dependent upon one's state of being at the time of analysis (which means OBSERVATION IS SUBJECTIVE! OMG! Does anyone else feel the resonance of that truth?!?! OBJECTIVITY IS AN ILLUSION!!
). If one is in fear, as you stated yourself Philosopher, one is irrational and will (unconsciously and thus unawarely) make an irrational analysis. If this analysis is treated on par (i.e. equally) with its rational brothers, it will cause confusion and chaos among one's Inner Environment.

We (as in awakening humanity) tend to believe (and thus expect and look for reasons) that our Inner Environment is a direct result of our Outer Environment - and this, by my (i.e. from my perspective) observations, is insanity.

A good definition of insanity:
Doing the same exact mathematical addition-problem over and over (1+1=?) while expecting differing sums (1+1=2, 1+1=3, 1+1=4, etc).

I have observed that the Belief/Emotional Field creates the Action/Sensation Field! This means WE ARE FREE from the confines of our physical reality and can begin to build any life we desire for ourselves!

As we change our Inner Environment, our Outer Environment will reflect these changes!

From my perspective (and that is all I can own), Beliefs shape Observations.

posted on Sep, 14 2007 @ 03:44 PM
Interesting how Edgar Cayce foretold the sun is affected by human conciousness and actions. I too have seen how white the sun is and not inviting. 79% rise in teenage suicides recently nationally reported. For sure, times are a changing.

posted on Sep, 14 2007 @ 03:59 PM

Originally posted by StreetCorner Philosopher

This is why. This is why the Vatican allowed for the DaVinci code to come out. This is why NASA got it's moon tapes stolen. This is why they put things in our face now in the subliminal commercials we see everyday.
They are all going to be underground and safe while half of the Earth's population washes away.
. I'm moving!

Thanks for posting this, I didnt know about the giant skeletons they had found. At all. First time ive ever heard about it. Very cool.

About planet x... well, the only way to really survive the massive winds, volcano eruptions and floods would probably be underground. I dont think most countries have any underground facilities, but USA has according to popular belief.

So maybe mostly americans will survive this thing? At least you will have one global language afterwards.

[edit on 14-9-2007 by Copernicus]

posted on Sep, 14 2007 @ 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Skyfloating
in other words, once a lesson is learned pain neednt be perpetuated. and we dont ALWAYS need to experience pain in order to know something is changing. Thats what we have been USED TO in the last thousand years, but there just MIGHT BE another way. I only want to experience pain when I am doing something wrong. In this sense pain is only to wake me up.

YES! This is PRECISELY what I believe!

As for the Buddhist belief that Salvation comes from Suffering - I believe when/if Buddha said this, he meant it in a very simple and straightforward mental/spiritual concept. I will attempt to explain my analysis of its meaning:


We are born unconsciously into Perfection as Perfection (i.e. Love, Joy, Gratitude, Playfulness, Curiosity, Compassion, Well-Being, etc) and we fall from it based on a misunderstanding between our Outer/Inner Environments' relationship with one another, and this is (more or less) propagated by parent/guardians, schools, societies, governments, all which potentially might have made observations in fear and thus should be crossed-checked by oneself...

And yet...

One's ability to cross-check is minimal from the Time of Birth to the Coming of Age, mostly due to a lack of information to draw from (only mysterious/genetic memory can be used initially) and the impressionability of youth (as it is meant to be).

The Time of Birth is about discovering the how, what, where, why, and when of our experience.
The Coming of Age is experienced upon the discovery that all of the above is a direct result of our own focus (intent = creation) and that we are one of many with this ability in all of existence (i.e. we are not alone in the universe).

We are Coming of Age as humanity right now, realizing that it is OUR OWN hand that directs our destiny rather than any outside force. We must claim responsibility for our suffering (suffering is pain re-experienced) by acknowledging that the only one who is capable of inflicting true suffering on oneself is only oneself.

This is true as a person (Bill Rossman is responsible for Bill Rossman) as it is for a world (Earth is responsible for Earth).

Salvation by definition* is the state of being protected from suffering.
(* = definition brought to you by my discernment and

One cannot be protected from something one has never experienced... so by my own observations, perceptions, and philosophies I would say Buddha was referring to the fact that the very moment one has experienced suffering, salvation is at hand - available for anyone who wishes to let go of the suffering and embrace salvation.

One cannot hold a flower if one is already holding onto a rock.


Only once one knows what a rock is can one choose to leave the rock alone.


I consider myself part Zen-Buddhist... I guess it shows.

posted on Sep, 21 2007 @ 05:08 AM
Hello Everyone !!!!!

I have had a shift in my consciousness lately as well.
I feel that I am now getting spiritual messages through to me from my Higher Self. These messages have proven themself to me, as often a few days after I am given them, they are confirmed in some way by something I see when doing further research. I can post them if anyone wants to read them. I don't know if you are able to or not.
I have gained and understanding on why things are the way they are at the moment and where we are going.
The only doom and gloom I am seeing will be aimed towards what I have been told are the Controllers as they lose their grip on power. Some of them are in for a bad time. Would you want to be the person responsible for holding back Free Energy?

I think the Mayan Calender explains best the consciousness shift. It gives you a good insight as to the processes that are happening. I can give a link if anyone is interested.

We are at the good bit. This is the time that Ethics will conquer Power over the next 3 years or so. We are in a cycle where there is a shift now every 360 days or so.

Already the collective conscious mind is in its infancy aka the Internet.
Google Earth is the 1st step in the conscious mind wanting instant movement / teleportation around the world. This is how a UFO is controlled. Think where you want to go and you are there.
The Peoples of other Planets have just started to lift the veil and have started the gradual process of revealing themselves, with or without the American Government. This will climax with an event so big that no one will be left with any doubt as to their existance.
The Power of Media is the 1st to fall. This will cause the collapse of the other Power Bases as information can not be held back anymore.

These are the sort of things to look for. They are the precursors to the 4th Density.

Just Bring It !!!!!!

posted on Sep, 21 2007 @ 07:41 PM
reply to post by Cyber_Wasp

Right on brother!

Let me say that whatever sources you are tapping into (your Higher Self) seem to be right on the money with my own sources (The Divine/Creative Principle - which admittedly is probably my Higher Self as well)! Guess this means we are working together in our goal of peace on earth and goodwill toward All!

Your observation about the collective unconscious and the internet:

Seriously - wow. I have always believed that the internet was a Divine tool, but only now do I understand that it truly IS our birthing collective consciousness! THANK YOU for spreading your understanding and bringing it one step closer to critical mass! (^_^)

It reminds me of watching the anime-series Lain: Serial Experiments. While it was confusing the first few times watching it (I'm sure a good deal was due to Japanese - English translation), it displays heavy philosophies regarding the internet and collective (un)consciousness...

Anywho, thanks for sharing yourself Cyber_Wasp!
I am interested in hearing more from you!

posted on Sep, 23 2007 @ 07:00 AM
Hey TrueAce !!!!!!

Thanks for the nice comments.
You and the others in this thread are described in the messages from my HigherSelf as Contenders.
I have sent you a U2U with a copy of the first bunch of messages to see what you think. It explains what a Contender is and what is happening.
These messages have been posted in another forum in ATS so I dunno if it is right to post them again here.
Your feedback would be appreciated.

posted on Sep, 30 2007 @ 10:04 PM

Originally posted by Skyfloating
yeah...thats what buddhists say. thats what all major religions say...they are all really keen on suffering. but by practicing appropriate thinking, speaking and acting today, I can easily do without suffering today...and will be more productive.

I understand, but what human is courageous enough to do so without the lessons learned? How will spiritual development progress unless one is traumatized first? I don't think many can give up themselves and remove their self image and individualization from the world. Not many have that kind of courage.

One needs a break up with a girlfriend, or a physical injury or surgery to realize how good they had it, and not to take the simple things in life for granted.

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