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What the Media Will Not Tell You About Catholicism

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posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 07:38 PM
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I am not bashing religion here. I just want to make the point that all mainstream religions are poisoned by 'modifications' that have turned off genuine believers.

This is a point that has never even been hinted at in the so called free Press that passes as our normal source of information about the world.

Catholics have not only become Freemasons in huge numbers; many are involved in Satanic covens, to the highest level in the Vatican:

This is not incontrovertible truth but hints at something the media do not touch upon:


Devil Protected by Catholic Authorities

Archbishop Milingo went on to make an accusation which sent hurricane force shockwaves throughout the Catholic community. According to Milingo, the devil is actually protected by the Catholic Church:

The devil in the Catholic Church is so protected now that he is like an animal protected by the government; put on a game preserve that outlaws anyone, especially hunters, from trying to capture or kill it. The devil within the Church today is actually protected by certain Church authorities from the official devil hunter in the Church--the exorcist. So much so that the exorcist today is forbidden to attack the devil. The devil is so protected that the one who is the hunter, the exorcist, is forbidden to do his job.

In a subsequent interview, the courageous archbishop stated: "Certainly, there are priests and bishops alike who are followers of Satan." When asked whether cardinals or even the Pope himself were guilty of this repulsive heresy, Milingo responded that, because he is an archbishop, he does not feel it is proper for him to name or comment about superior officials. The archbishop's silence, of course, spoke volumes.

Catholicism and the Ravages of Freemasonry



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Ram

posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 08:16 AM
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That is pretty strong information.

So there is a battle going on in those places - where this is part of the national pride - Or the culture.

Is the devil real?
It's like it have always been - But now somthing have been concealed from being accepted - Or understood.

Why?



posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 08:39 AM
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The Jesuits and the upper echelons of the Vatican have been accused of being in bed with Satan for a long time now...

Are they ?

Personally, I've read stuff which could make me decide either way, yet I'm on the fence...

Catholicism, as well as all "organised" religions leave a lot to be desired...Whenever you have a religion or an ideal in place, and a great number of people come to believe in it/have faith, it tends to be abused and twisted to suit the people who are at the centre of said religion/faith...

Because the few desire/aspire to control the many, this is and always will be human nature...

There's probably some merit on this one, but on balance, its a toughie

Peace



posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 10:23 AM
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When any organization proponing to be working for the good of mankind, elects as its leader a former Nazi (no matter how large or small their affiliation with that group was) then that organization is quite obviously corrupt in some form.



posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 10:31 AM
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I know it is hard to believe but I have (unsworn) testimony from a lady friend of mine from some years back who came into work seemingly traumatised. She was a practising Roman Catholic. I tried to put her slow movements and unusual clumsiness down to hard partying in jest but she came back with something that shocked me. She said: 'These are not normal parties...they do things which would disgust and shock you'. My mind immediately turned towards the 'Porkys' type of tomfoolery and I mentioned this but she persisted.

She said, in quiet steady tones: ' My family just pretend to follow Catholicism but they're evil...they follow Satan'. I tried to laugh this off as if she had a hangover but I could see that she was seriously concerned. She mentioned that Catholics right up to the top of the movement were involved and, under prompting mentioned Bishops and Archbishops.

I still did not believe her, but here I am, 20 years on, and I wonder if there was some truth in what she said. On the face of it, her family were caring and solid members of society but was it a cover. I honestly don't know but the look on her face haunts me to this day.

Reading more into this matter, I have found another source, and there are several of these from characters high up in the Catholic movement:


From 1958 until 1964, Malachi Martin served in Rome as a Jesuit priest, where he was a close associate of, and carried out many sensitive missions for, the renowned Jesuit Cardinal Augustin Bea and Popes John XXIII and Paul VI. Released afterwards from his vows of poverty and obedience at his own request (but still a priest), he ultimately moved to New York and became a best-selling writer of fiction and non-fiction.

Martin had first made explicit reference to a diabolic rite held in Rome in his 1990 non-fiction best-seller about geopolitics and the Vatican, The Keys of This Blood, in which he wrote:

Most frighteningly for [Pope] John Paul [II], he had come up against the irremovable presence of a malign strength in his own Vatican and in certain bishops’ chanceries. It was what knowledgeable Churchmen called the ‘superforce.’ Rumors, always difficult to verify, tied its installation to the beginning of Pope Paul VI’s reign in 1963. Indeed Paul had alluded somberly to ‘the smoke of Satan which has entered the Sanctuary’. . . an oblique reference to an enthronement ceremony by Satanists in the Vatican. Besides, the incidence of Satanic pedophilia — rites and practices — was already documented among certain bishops and priests as widely dispersed as Turin, in Italy, and South Carolina, in the United States. The cultic acts of Satanic pedophilia are considered by professionals to be the culmination of the Fallen Archangel’s rites.


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Ram

posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 05:40 PM
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If it goes through Vatican to politics that affect this world - you know... Then atleast some things makes sense.
I mean there is so many weird and kinda bad things happening around the globe, down to your daily activities - That does once in a while make no sense at all.
But with this idea that some kinda perverted evil force goes through a few of our trusted politicans - Mayors and what ever title they have been able to put on their person - Then the force that guide this world is wicked and makes no sense - Things like war - High taxes - and absolutly Zero freedom - unless you work for it offcourse. "Arbeit mach frei".

It would all make sense - If what you write is true - But is it?!

People do speak about it - But the mystery is yet hidden and perhaps unsaid - Unless somone is lying.

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In my opinion: There should be another force leading this planet, than the force leading it now. Perhaps it will come - Our paradise - yet it is all up us, to understand why our leaders seems to hate us.
Perhaps leaders are not meant to be human. So they use another source - like worship stuff.
Fullmoons and all that..



posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 11:31 PM
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Is the Catholic church keeping the devil hidden away in the same place as Bat Boy?

Sorry, but I find your story hard to believe.



posted on Aug, 26 2007 @ 08:08 AM
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I am glad that you maintain a healthy scepticism about what you read. I have tried to state my doubts from the outset. However, the steady number of HIGH level officials from the Catholic church seem to state that something is wrong in the Vatican. Moreover, the treatment of paedophile priests by the Vatican is suspicious to say the least. You could say that any Corporation would behave in a similar manner to protect itself from adverse publicity. However, the Vatican is not a Corporation, as such, its principal aims are to provide a moral benchmark for millions of Catholics worldwide and, therefore, must be shown to deal with paedophiles in the most severe manner available to them.

I suppose what I am saying is that there is a possibility of paedophilia being a Satanic rite and if there is a chain of Satanic influence leading to the Vatican, it would be covered up.

Sex Crime Cover-Up

We also have the case of John Paul I, dying after a short reign as the Pope,under circumstances which can be read as suspicious.
Malachi Martin also died after 'falling down the stairs'. I take it that you are on ATS to look beyond the obvious from the news media reports that we are all bombarded with? Most of which is Government or Corporation oriented.

I also have read other information about J Ratzinger which would put ATS in legal problems so I cannot mention it. Suffice to say it backs the OP.
You can see the interview which mentions the specifics in the 'Current Issues' video at this website:
Current Issues video


Please also see:
Illuminati News

[edit on 26/8/2007 by Heronumber0]



posted on Aug, 26 2007 @ 01:38 PM
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Heronumber0,

I dont recall what the actual historical event is called or titled but some time in 1870 there were some wars taking place in Europe and by 1870 new borders and political arrangements were made.

A intresting omission from most history books for which one would be hard pressed to find, through what passes for historical instruction in most places of higher learning, is the woodcut of the Masons parading through St Peters Square in all their masonic regelia before the Church at Rome. I do not believe this is in honor of the Church. I belive this is in mockery. They were rubbing their noses before her.

You have to do some deep reseach to even find a printing of this woodcut.
As stated it is not found in most history books or instruction.

My summation is that these lodges have been at war with Rome for some time before the events of 1870. The Roman lodge against the other lodges.
It is just that this is not a view one gets from most of history.

Recall what I told you about the surrender on the Battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay?

This is just a continuation of the war and struggle for the absolute mastery of everything albet from a earlier time.

Agree with you about the nature of the coverup on this issue/issues. I have heard the stories since before I came into this field of study. For those who can listen the silence in the media and politics concerening these events speaks volumes and is definitely a fingerprint to be watched and observed...noted. I do not believe Rome is the only group involved in this conduct.

Thanks,
Orangetom

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posted on Aug, 26 2007 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
Heronumber0,

I dont recall what the actual historical event is called or titled but some time in 1870 there were some wars taking place in Europe and by 1870 new borders and political arrangements were made.


There was a lot happening at the time, orangetom. Garibaldi and Victor Emmanuel were reunifying Italy and trying to reclaim Rome and Venice and there was the Franco-Prussian war from 1870-1 set up by Otto van Bismarck. At least this is the official version. However, I remember reading about the Rothschilds financing both sides in the Franco-Prussian War to enable them to buy weapons. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose...(the more things change, the more they stay the same). Who really gains from wars? Bankers and weapons manufacturers immediately come to mind, as well as those who seek to exploit the diminishing natural resources of the world. Have things changed? Don't think so...



An interesting omission from most history books for which one would be hard pressed to find, through what passes for historical instruction in most places of higher learning, is the woodcut of the Masons parading through St Peters Square in all their masonic regelia before the Church at Rome. I do not believe this is in honor of the Church. I belive this is in mockery. They were rubbing their noses before her.

You have to do some deep reseach to even find a printing of this woodcut.
As stated it is not found in most history books or instruction.

My summation is that these lodges have been at war with Rome for some time before the events of 1870. The Roman lodge against the other lodges.
It is just that this is not a view one gets from most of history.


This is a very serious and important point and I need to be clear on this. Most people think that there is a war with Rome and the Masons. But is this true nowadays? I saw a video about Licio Gelli, the high ranking P2 Mason and he openly admitted meeting with Vatican organisations. P2 could be termed a 'Dark' Lodge. So what is going on here? I would really appreciate some help with this conundrum.

Licio Gelli, P2 Lodge Interview


Recall what I told you about the surrender on the Battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay?

This is just a continuation of the war and struggle for the absolute mastery of everything albet from a earlier time.


I found that extraordinary but less and less is surprising me now.


Agree with you about the nature of the coverup on this issue/issues. I have heard the stories since before I came into this field of study. For those who can listen the silence in the media and politics concerening these events speaks volumes and is definitely a fingerprint to be watched and observed...noted. I do not believe Rome is the only group involved in this conduct.


You have to fill me in on this one. Who else is involved?

Thanks for this elucidation orangetom



posted on Aug, 26 2007 @ 05:42 PM
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Heronumber0,
It has been some time now since I have read this but I believe both Giuseppi Garibaldi and Guiseppi Mazzini were Masons and anti Rome.

I first ran across these names when reading Edith Starr Miller's book (pen name..Lady Queensbury) Occult Theocracy...and also Nesta Websters book Secret Sociteys and Subversive Movements.
Edith Starr Millers book has whole sections devoted to the Italian movements and the names of these two individuals..very long and involved chapters.

As to the Rothchilds financing both sides I was not aware of them doing so in this conflict but recall hearing of their maneuvers during the Napoleanic Wars..financing both sides...and a naval blockade by both sides such that the only ships which could sail and commute were the ships flying the Rothchild flag. They had a monopoly on shipping as long as the war dragged on.

It would not surprise me this fingerprint continuing into the next phase during this war or the wars of the 1840s too. I too do not think things have changed per se. The technology only allows this to be more effecient.

And yes...I am aware that it is boiling or gelling down to a resource war. Not necessaarily to keep the resources on the market but to keep many of them off he market and at the same time out of undesirable hands or hands or those not in their "Club"...ie...competitors.

As to the war between Rome and the Masons..I believe it still goes on.
Recall my comment about the Hellenic Pharisees and the Judaic Pharisees on another thread.

Watch closely..Hellenic ...from Alexandria Egypt...Gnosticism=Masonry.
Eastern Philosophy and Dogma. This is the source for the Catholic wisdom. The wise men from Alexandria..Philo, Adamantius Originese and others.

THe Judiac PHarisees just took another trail. They came into contact with this Eastern Philosophy in Babylon in the captivity. Look at the numbers which left Israel in the captivity and the numbers who returned. Most stayed in Babylon and did not return. They loved the Babylonian system including the Babylonian Talmud.
REmember ..it should not be Judiaism..it should be Mosesism..or Mosiacism. The Law..of Moses..not Judiaism. Judiaism is all these babylonian gnostic practices mixed in and overlaying the Law of Moses to make us think that it is the Law of Moses. Just as in like manner I described the woman caught in adultery..in the very act in another post. The woman caught in adultery..in the very act was in fact Talmudic Masonry at work.

Remember Masons among other groups are Talmudic...a set of rules for the insiders and a set of rules for the outsiders.

Just like Roman Catholicism ..rules and dogma for insiders and rules an d dogma for outsiders. It just happens to be a Catholic Talmud...or Catholic Dogma. Dont they call non Roman Catholics...Heritics??

Now ..to be fair ..do all Jews and all Catholics or Masons practice this. No they dont. But when called on or directed they must obey...and not tell.

What is Islam...Talmudic..rules and applications for insiders and rules for outsiders. it just happens to be Islamic Talmudism..or lodge practice.

THey are all Wise men...Gnostic Philosophers...with variations among them but they share a common thread in their practices. Insiders and outsiders ..with the outsiders never knowing this is going on.

And they war against each other for dominion without telling the outsiders what is really going on.

YOu take each of these groups and remember that they are at war with each other...but will join for a time when the enemy is a common enemy more important than thier disputes with each other.
Throw in thier buisness connections and then thier buisness connections with Governments and you have the connection to world history.

REmember that the Jews did not trust Rome and the Church. They still do not today and historically for good sound reasons...but will do buisness when it requires so.

The Communist Party appeares to me to be a lodge. It was just not tolerant of other lodges and discriminated and persecuted them. Especially the Roman Catholic Lodge. They could barely tolerate the Eastern Orthadox lodge.
The Communists could not seem to maintain thier lodge in the face of a changing world. I do however believe they might make a comeback.
There is more to this but for another time and topic line.

speaking of communists/socialists ...many large unions also appear to be a lodge. Ever look closely at the Logo of the International Association of Macninists. IAM. Check it out some time. They are definitely talmudic..a set of rules and guidelines for the insiders and another set for the outsiders. Outsiders can be treated differently in morals than insiders.
They use the term Brother too dont they?? They certainly have zealous and devout adherents ...the faithful. Is this a religioius dogma.?? THink carefully on this one.

How about the Mormon Lodge?? Can you not treat a Saint differently from a non Saint?? Different rules apply.
Now mind you ..different Mormons take this to different levels of seriousness. Not all of them adhere to this practice...just like Islamicists , or Masons or Catholics or Jews..etc etc.

But the important thing for us is to not be ignoranat of the fact that these instruments or dogmas are in place and are not taught to the general public. You are never to know that these things are in place and or practiced by people ....insiders and outsiders.

Thanks,
Orangetom



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posted on Aug, 26 2007 @ 06:15 PM
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I find a conspiracy involving a sex crime cover up more believable. The sexual abuse scandals involving Catholic Priests have not only cost the church billions of dollars, but have sullied the Church's reputation. Perhaps you should focus your energies discussing how the Church has tried to hide this *REAL* demon.



posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
Heronumber0,
It has been some time now since I have read this but I believe both Giuseppi Garibaldi and Guiseppi Mazzini were Masons and anti Rome.


That is a surprise to me. I thought that he defended Rome in the official history but I should know better than to believe official history shouldn't I?



As to the Rothchilds financing both sides I was not aware of them doing so in this conflict but recall hearing of their maneuvers during the Napoleanic Wars..financing both sides...and a naval blockade by both sides such that the only ships which could sail and commute were the ships flying the Rothchild flag. They had a monopoly on shipping as long as the war dragged on.


My mistake there! Yes, you are right, the Rothschilds were heavily involved in profiting from both sides. I believe that the Rothschild on the British side, Nathan Rothschild, received early notification of Wellington winning unexpectedly at Waterloo in 1815 and created a 'run' on the stock market by selling his shares and then re-bought them at rock bottom prices. A new Bank of England was then set up under the control of Nathan Rothschild. National Debt was then created in ever-increasing amounts as the Government borrowed heavily to finance their ventures, including war - a prime investment. As of 2006, the National Debt stood at £478.60 bn in the UK, without counting pensions liabilities - money owed to a 'National Bank' - extraordinary!



As to the war between Rome and the Masons..I believe it still goes on.
Recall my comment about the Hellenic Pharisees and the Judaic Pharisees on another thread.

Watch closely..Hellenic ...from Alexandria Egypt...Gnosticism=Masonry.
Eastern Philosophy and Dogma. This is the source for the Catholic wisdom. The wise men from Alexandria..Philo, Adamantius Originese and others.

THe Judiac Pharisees just took another trail. They came into contact with this Eastern Philosophy in Babylon in the captivity. Look at the numbers which left Israel in the captivity and the numbers who returned. Most stayed in Babylon and did not return. They loved the Babylonian system including the Babylonian Talmud.


I read your other thread with interest. And I can see that most mainstream religions have been diverted by attractive intelectual philosophies. The educated brain can be charmed by semantic ambiguities, ritual and exclusivity.


Just like Roman Catholicism ..rules and dogma for insiders and rules and dogma for outsiders. It just happens to be a Catholic Talmud...or Catholic Dogma. Dont they call non Roman Catholics...Heritics??

Now ..to be fair ..do all Jews and all Catholics or Masons practice this. No they dont. But when called on or directed they must obey...and not tell


I see your point and I can reiterate that men can be attracted to secrecy and exclusive groups. In childhood, one of my favourite activities was to hang around in an exclusive makeshift treehouse with my friends. We were a secretive, exclusive gang and it was fun. However, in adulthood, this can and does lead to childish behaviour by Secret Society members. I have witnessed it myself.



You take each of these groups and remember that they are at war with each other...but will join for a time when the enemy is a common enemy more important than thier disputes with each other.
Throw in their business connections and then their business connections with Governments and you have the connection to world history.

Remember that the Jews did not trust Rome and the Church. They still do not today and historically for good sound reasons...but will do business when it requires so.


Thanks for answering my question. This now makes a bit of sense. Business (money making) is of paramount importance and can overcome adversarial politics. The Vatican is like a country with its Bank and, of course, wants a return for its money, so they are willing to 'jump into bed' with 'enemies' to make a financial profit. That clears up my doubts now.
Nice one, orangetom!

HPUM - I am not saying that the Catholic Church is Satanist. You have to read through some of the sources that I have posted to find that a growing number of prelates are openly pointing at a (probably) small number of priests who are practising Satanic rites inside the Vatican. Yes, some probably have an axe to grind, but I think it may be just another problem that the Catholic Church is trying to hide. I was surprised by the number of high-ranking priests in the Vatican listed as Satanists or Luciferians:
Satanists in the Vatican?

However, you don't have to believe it, but please research it for yourself, as I will, and then give us your findings in this forum.



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