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Originally posted by lordlefty
The Hashashim (Assasins) in the east,
Originally posted by lordlefty
Most of my info comes from books by respected researchers such as Jim Marrs, Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln.
According to my sources, the spelling of the original secret society was Hashashim, which became corrupted to Assassin, perhaps with Hassassin as an intermediate corruption (?).
However, there have been organisations calling themselves the Illuminati for many millenia.
The first were from ancient egypt (the origin of the illuminati and Illuminized freemasonry's symbol of the Eye above a Pyramid perhaps?), and were schools of priests dedicated to teaching secret knowledge, and reaching a higher spiritual plain.
The Hashashim (Assasins) in the east, the Priory of Sion, the Rosicrucians and perhaps the Masons all have roots from these orders.
But what was this sinister purpose I speak of? The total destruction of all established governments and religions, and a replacement with a New World Order and Religion of course!
Did you mean to say The Hassassin? Which means followers of the Hashish The root word for Assassin
As for Wahhabis, they are, of course, most righteous ones, in their own view.
OBL and his Jihadi brand is, on the other hand, not a pure Wahhabi creed, there are elements of Hassassin ideology in his belief system as well as some mystical elements that are reminiscent of kabbalistic tradition, they were also part of Hassassin philosophy.
The Priory of Sion almost certainly had dealings with the Hashashim, and therefore the Knight's Templar also had dealings with them, seeing as they shared a grand master at the time.
Originally posted by NetStorm
But this, that you write
"The Templars were Knights, and thus would be inherently averse to hiding their names and anonymously guarding a chunk of rock that has no more than symbolic value to anyone"
This is called faith..guarding that "chunk of rock" (I assume you mean Mary Magdalene or perhaps even Jesus..)
It's faith in thier belief, and no matter how "mundane" they would probably carry it out until the day they die....
We do it..The Honor Guard...rain snow..ice ..wind, they are guarding that "chunk of rock"
[Edited on 24-2-2004 by NetStorm]
Originally posted by EmbryonicEssence
Everyone prefers to walk blindfolded into the oncoming traffic. As long as people have their MTV, movies, video games, pornography, MONEY, conspiracies, couches, everything is A-OK. We'll see the nice planned terrorist attacks, fake wars, and everyone will be horrified for 60 seconds - then its back to the daily/yearly routine, everything else a distant memory of yesterday/year.
Even as I type this load of what could possibly be skewed as BS, I am reminded that I am also a hypocrite, just like everyone else. I could be out doing something important instead of sitting here reading this stuff on ATS and typing back. Then hit hits me. How could one go up against an organization with trillions of dollars in assets and already controls many of the worlds armies, as well as governments? You really can't. Not unless everyone at once took off the blindfold and realized that we aren't different; that religion is used as a means to control the mind, the wallet, and separate us (if you let it); and that there is nothing stronger than people united.
How does one make the blind see... or care?
Yes, Weishaupt had lofty goals. Pure fantasy that he would ever be in a position to effect such a thing. The Illuminati, however, does not have as its goal a thing that the general population would largely object to. And certainly not major upheaval. At least not more than is required to achieve the goal. And that goal is simply putting a single individual in such a position to enforce the collective will of all humanity. Rather like the Platonic philosopher-king. Except replace "not wanting" the power with "not knowing" about the power. It's really quite difficult to put a person in a position where they can both do good and not realize what they're doing, for the most part. I've elaborated all this elsewhere; it would be redundant and pointless of me to repeat it here.
Blah. I've already given a short history of the Knights Templar in another thread. I won't bother here. But the claim isn't true. Although it is generally a safe thing to claim, since both the Priory of Zion and the Knights Templar are French. I'm sure many of the modern titleholders for both organizations coincide, but "at the time" they didn't. The Templars were Knights, and thus would be inherently averse to hiding their names and anonymously guarding a chunk of rock that has no more than symbolic value to anyone. Knights maintain a style and dignity befitting a knight. Their deeds are done in their own names, because their name is the mark of their integrity. Etc, etc. The reasons it cannot be are legion. Boring, really. Most secrets turn out to be boring after you learn them, mainly because the time period in which one didn't know gave them ample time to inflate the imaginary bravado, so to speak.
Originally posted by phybre404
And to clarify all the other above who didn't under stand a reference I made, the "chunk of rock" I was referring to was the tomb at Rennes-le-Chateau. The only reason the Priory ever existed.
And I really hope this won't devolve into a discussion about grail legends and royal bloodlines. That's all a bunch of hoohaa misdirection so people won't pay attention to what's really buried there. That revelation would be quite embarassing to quite a few people in the French government. I'm rather curious how long it will take before an American journalist or diplomat or something finds out. That'll be a week's worth of CNN coverage.
[Edited on 5-3-2004 by phybre404]
Originally posted by Hamilton
I just can't wait for the day the coorp Statan inc. or whatever makes a pityful fuse between a bear with different cat features above which ends in a grotesque sevenheaded squidlike lionheads with some guy who has dressed up like Jesus throws the bugger into a volcanoe.