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How China negotiates with kidnappers

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posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 09:31 AM
There's no problem that a chinese policeman executes a kidnapper, if the guy or gal killed during his or her kidnap, he or she would end up executed anyway. (Maybe not for rapping, but chinese law is severe) You got to be a moron to kill in China or do any crime there. You get executed for drug dealing too

(We are going to conquer the world, us the chinese people.)

[edit on 25-8-2007 by iwhodeniesgodamgod]

posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 10:11 AM
How common are drugs and drug abuse as the result of that?

posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 06:22 PM
Your "democratic" government and "free" media also
didn't tell you what happened before then.
the kidnapping happened in 6:00 PM, the police took action in 8:07 PM
and prepared air mat (picture).

I guess Your "democratic" government and "free" media want to demonize
any country they don't like. fortunately, there are a few Chinese
in this forum who can tell you the truth. correcting the
"democratic" propaganda.
then how about those coutries which are unable to tell their story?
think about it.
So don't blame China of its military modernize, while a bad guy own
supper strong military power.
BTW, some "free" people want to send "Trojan" to my computer,
that is not good.

posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 06:34 PM
reply to post by gs001

some of us respect the way your government handled that situation and we ony wish our government would handle things more like China.
The liberals castrated the U.S. government with all their political correctness and bleeding hearts.
that is who is now disrespecting your country on this forum.

(don't worry, us conservatives don't like them or their ways either)

posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 06:51 PM
I dunno,this isnt that much different from the shows about American and UK cops kickin ass on TV.
I've been to China a few times and the police seem rather liberal and not that aggressive,Im sure the law wherever u go can be rather nasty.
Part of the job i guess.

posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 06:56 PM
Yes, I noticed not all people here regard China as a evil country.
I have to admit that China is far from perfect,
we have a very very long way to go before relatively perfect
In this process, we need goodwill not enmity.

posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 08:17 PM
Wow, wish I could read Chinese to get these kinds of info to share with my friends, who are continuously being propaganda'ed & brainwashed in Europe or USA!!!

So a known anti-China site show part of the story, all kinds of so-called human rights group or so called liberals jump all over the bandwagon of anti-China , the free-government-controlled-media copy this CENSORED story and spread it without cross checking

Seems China is more "human" than many thought, though in my opinion he would have deserved the death penalty, Like any other Child kidnappers in the world!

posted on Aug, 26 2007 @ 06:08 AM
reply to post by gs001

You are a bit offensive at the start of the thread, gs, calm down a bit.
Do you think that "democratic people" would not have thought that at least 1 out of 1.3 billion Chinese is a good person.... Killing criminals is not the best way anyway, we have tranquilizer darts and all that. And our government should consider buying a couple of them instead of bullets...
But killing criminals would probably stop the population crisis... lol jking...

[edit on 26-8-2007 by iwhodeniesgodamgod]

posted on Aug, 26 2007 @ 09:54 AM
reply to post by iwhodeniesgodamgod

the motto of this forum is: deny ignorance
when I find some "free" people here distorting the fact deliberately.
I have to do something.
Can tranquilizer darts stop the kidnapper immediately before
he hurt the children? I highly doubt.
I guess your Government will buy "a couple of them" from our company:-)
Show you some Chinese police equipments.

posted on Aug, 26 2007 @ 10:25 AM
reply to post by stumason

Well said !!

posted on Aug, 26 2007 @ 10:38 AM

Originally posted by iwhodeniesgodamgod
reply to post by gs001

You are a bit offensive at the start of the thread, gs, calm down a bit.
Do you think that "democratic people" would not have thought that at least 1 out of 1.3 billion Chinese is a good person.... Killing criminals is not the best way anyway, we have tranquilizer darts and all that. And our government should consider buying a couple of them instead of bullets...
But killing criminals would probably stop the population crisis... lol jking...

[edit on 26-8-2007 by iwhodeniesgodamgod]

Sure as hell democratic people will think that, prolly more than 1, but unfortunately ignorant people won't.

Funny that after being presented by the facts you are still so ignorant to ignore it in the later part of your post.

And if we are on the topic of killing criminals. If you are so much more "human". Please for god's sake, maybe you should argue with your government to stop killing criminals in the death rows and other so-called non-courted "terrorists" in your offshore concentration camps first instead of criticizing & generalizing other sovereign nations.

Ps. Personally I love the dry humour and sarcasm of my American friends. But truly, certain jokes are just not funny out of the mouth of ignorant people.

[edit on 26-8-2007 by IchiNiSan]

posted on Aug, 26 2007 @ 05:53 PM
reply to post by IchiNiSan

but what puzzles me is
why "democratic" government always brainwash their "free" people?
and demonize the country they don't like?
I guess "democratic government" must lets "free people" believe
the country they want to attack is an evil country and deserve destroy.
So that the "free people" will support the "democratic government"
to do whatever they want.
I heard a "rumour" that munitioners fund candidates from both party
in USA. so whoever win the election, he must wage war.
If I'm wrong, just tell me:-)

posted on Aug, 26 2007 @ 08:32 PM
reply to post by gs001

Not all democratic governments are like the elected Autocratic Bush regime. And don't forget more than half of the Americans did not even voted for their current government.

The main problems I see in democracy?
Generally speaking, democracies are short-term minded, because they have to win voters every 4-5 years. The first one or maximum two years, you will notice that many newly elected governments will try their best to put some long-term programs on trail, but from the end of the 2nd year they will start to feel the heat and pressure to do short-term actions to win the re-election, especially if during mid-term they lost votes in the senate or houses (or equivalent names in other European democracies).

A democracy normally also consist of more than only 2 major parties, this means the government had to be formed by a coalition with the majority of the votes, otherwise nothing can be achieved. Now these coalitions are very often a 'convenient government with an agenda full of compromisis. Normally, voters hardly recognize the program of the coalition-party they had voted for. And coalitions from time to time will simply break-up, causing the country in a vacuum power, long-term programs have to be postponed.

Now, a democracy does work if the economy is running well, seems like money and politics always run hand on hand, but in recessions time hell will break loose. The indecisivenesses of coalition governments, added to the short-time minded of both 1 party elected & coalition governments will often cause the government to do actions which are good for the short-term, but VERY bad for the long-term. So that's why you will note that these democracies are coursing themselves into a disaster within 30-50 years.

As for why these governments brainwash their own people, it's simply because people are by nature corrupted, if the people are lucky then they would have voted for an ethical president/premier who thinks for the people. But if they are unlucky then they have put corrupted short-term minded own-benefits chasing coackroaches in office. That is unfortunately the case for the past 7 years in America, causing so much anti-Americanism all over the world, and don't be fooled, even the American common people dislike their government now. Remember slightly more than half of the Americans did not voted for the current regime, and most likely a huge portion of the other minority voters are regretting their voting.

Oh by the way, in history a democratic country had brought forth and put Dictators on the highest seat, who single-handedly destroyed the whole system and turned it in his country.

[edit on 26-8-2007 by IchiNiSan]

posted on Aug, 26 2007 @ 11:52 PM
Well, if you think about it for a minute, you would realize that it isnt sme much different than things are done in the US.
Except instead of sending in one man to shoot point blank, they will plant few snipers in strategic places.
Remember the wife and mother up at Ruby Ridge? she was holding her 18 month baby when that cowardly sniper shot her.

posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 01:18 AM
reply to post by gs001

You are such an arrogant jerk, gs, the effect of a tranquilizer is instantaneous. Same thing as a vaccine, if you are about to die and you need a cure, they vaccinate you and you are cured in a sec. I think you are the ignorant one here, gs, you are blinded by your love for your own country. And just to add, chinese media lies tons more than U.S media and the shows are bull# too. They continuasly show the same publicity during breaks to put the ad in your brain so you would not forget it. It's called brainwashing. Quit insulting the Americans, they've never harmed a Chinese, they've ONLY helped them defeat the Japanese in WW2. (Atomic bomb, if you know what it is.)The Japanese would have maintained control in China if U.S didn't start attacking them because of Pearl Harbor.

posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 01:31 AM
reply to post by IchiNiSan

i doubt the U.S would have so many democratic problems if they had more choices such as Canada. Americans choose between Democrate and Republic and Canada has Liberal, Conservative, Green, and other crappy parties that dreamers create; like the Anarchy party.... Anyway, my point is that if Americans want a good leader, they should get more variety but i guess the Americans have a different history and government than other countries so they'll problably stay the same for a couple of decades.

We are getting a bit off-topic

[edit on 27-8-2007 by iwhodeniesgodamgod]

posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 09:36 AM
reply to post by IchiNiSan

"democracy or autarchy" is also a hot topic in China.
In Asia, all successed countries booming at autarchy time, after
converted to democracy, their developing speed slowed down.
I guess democracy provides equity and autarchy provides efficiency.
I heard that in a democratic country, people want to build a
cloverleaf junction, but endless debate, protest, higgle, negotiation
stoped the program. but in China such things will never happen.
Do you know the "three gorges dam"? To finish this program,
more than 10 millions of residents have to leave their home!
of course, there must be a lot of unfair, corruption, abuse.....
but finally, the three gorges dam accomplished.
So I think this will be ideal:
when China grows at the rate of 10%, adopt autarchy,
when China's growth rate drop to 3%-4%, adopt democracy.

posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 09:36 AM
reply to post by iwhodeniesgodamgod

Your technology is really advanced, our tranquilizer get effect
at least in 5 seconds after injected into human body.
your tranquilizer need zero second?
WWII?, at that time, USA was much more adorable than that of today.
when in peace, Americans stayed in their country enjoying isolationism
When the world needs USA, that country throw itself into the breach.
Today's USA, on the contrary, is sabre rattling everywhere in the world.
Yes, chinese media also propaganda, but we Chinese can get various
imformations to balance the propaganda. Am I look like someone who
can only get unilateral information?

posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 10:26 AM
reply to post by gs001

*hmmm, seems I should keep my point short, simple and clear*
I do NOT believe in democracy in any environment, it has too many flaws for the long-term policy and too easily being manipulated by power-hungry individuals.

I do believe in Deng XiaoPing's plan for China for the coming decades or even longer, laid out in 78, and successfully for the past 30 years: A socialistic system with Chinese characteristics, which all Chinese people has equal freedom and opportunity to prosper in a semi-controlled market economy, as long as the individual has the willing and mindset to go for it. It also has her flaws, but for the longer term I do believe this is the right system for China.

So in other words, no, I do not agree with you that China should ever adopt "democracy" when the economy "only grows 3-4%". As long as the leaders SELECTED based on CAPABILITY AND ETHICS with CARING FOR THE PEOPLE, then the country will keep on being coursed in the right direction for decades and maybe even centuries to come. A caring leader will eventual listen to the people, which I do sincerely believe ears in Beijing are quite open to constructive voices, as long as it is expressed in the right way.

posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 10:39 AM
reply to post by iwhodeniesgodamgod

We are very off topic now, so before any mod give me the yellow card, here is a short response (at least for me short):

I don't see much difference in a democracy with only 2 parties compared to 3. In Continental European nations, there are many countries with even more. Politics over there are simply a mess, common people's voices are ignored. Politicians are in general selfish short-term minded egos, worst of all the back-room compromises are simply selling out the very voters who put the coalitions in power. I lived in Europe for more than a quarter century from my birth on, and what I see is only that these Western democracies are coursing themselves into bankruptcy (if not already) and disaster. I just hope that in all these countries one day powerful Ethical leaderS WITH VISIONS are being (s)elected, who can withstand all the short-term selfish temptations and really turn around these negative spirals, there is still time, but it is running out.

[edit on 27-8-2007 by IchiNiSan]

[edit on 27-8-2007 by IchiNiSan]

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