I'm well aware this post was not directed at me, but I'll have a go at it just for old time's sake.
Originally posted by Vanguard223
Your posts, through your lack of rational thought, have made it obvious that you're either a Mig fan boy or an America hater. I shouldn't need to
explain why a Mig-25 is no match for an F-22. Are you freaking serious?!
By your train of thought, why would we ever design new aircraft at all? Why not still field F-86's....hell, why not P-51's? That's it! Russia
can save a lot of money by just upgrading Sopwith Camels with data links and rear facing radars! Oh wait....but those aren't Russian built aircraft
so they're obviously inferior in every way, right?
The MiG-25 is not a match for a Raptor under the traditional head-on BVR conflict. We're well aware of that. But what you're completely ignoring are
a couple of nifty facts about the MiG-25 that could theoretically be used to put a dent in a Raptor if its occupant was less than observant. Shall we
use an example? I don't know about we, but I sure will.
In a theoretical situation where we have an F-22 doing something or other, and a MiG-25 (for whatever reason) coming up behind
, someone will
have a problem. The F-22, although having exceptional front and side RCS decreases, has a problem of having a (radar-signature-wise) fat ass. What
this means is that the MiG-25 (with it's absolutley colossal radar) may or may not be able to detect it (An F-22 actually being detected by any
source that could possibly want to do it harm? The blasphemy of it all! It's the rapture, people!) and uncage weaponry.
Moving on with that concept, let's take a look at Foxbat's big brother, the Foxhound. Specifically, the MiG-31M since it's the newest one, and if
there are Raptor's about you want the best shot at taking one down, da? The MiG-31 shares many traits with the MiG-25, including high speed, high
altitude, and big radar. Oh, and before I go any further, most of the older MiG-31's have, in fact, been converted to M standard, so an encounter is
not entirely impossible if Russia and the US were to ever square off.
Now check this out. The Russians currently have outfitted the MiG-31M to carry the R-172 missile. That's a range of 400 km at Mach 4. Also, it's
fitted to carry the R-37 Arrow, which goes 300 km at Mach 6. The MiG-31's enormous radar allows the missile to be effective at such ranges. Yes, both
these missiles are made for high-value asset-whacking, but an F-22 is pretty valuable.
So, although in a traditional Top-Gun-style standoff, a MiG-25 is not going to do anything. Most likely, neither will a 31. This trick is to use the
aircraft for what they were designed to do- intercept them and harass them from far away, especially when they're already occupied. I mean, could you
imagine the potential for 4 inbound MiG 25's as some F-22's skirmish with a few Su-35's? Even you have to admit, that used properly any aircraft
could feasibly do something to an F-22. It's just that traditional 1-on-1 fights which, realistically speaking, don't happen aren't a particularly
good way to compare all types of aircraft.
Give me a break, your posts smack of fanboism. It's hard to hold a ratonal conversation with someone who thinks Migs are the second coming of Jesus
Christ. Here's a little test for you. What's your opinion on how F-22's would stand up against Typhoons or Rafales, all other factors being
Don't get me started on fanboism. It's hard to hold a rational conversation with someone who disregards all the tactical possibilities in favor of a
single 1-on-1, head-on duel between two fighters. While, yes, the F-22 does represent a significant advantage in BVR combat, it's not just about
seeing your enemy, uncaging a couple of missiles, and seeing a little "SUCCESS" go up on the HUD. You have to consider possibilities of WVR,
reinforcements, and different ways to use aircraft that aren't used in the role of standoff air-superiority. Considering other possibilities, you can
see how a MiG-31 could be useful, and even a MiG-25.