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posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 01:28 PM
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Well the same link (space.com) has another article on the topic...

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But a staunch believer that Viking found life is Gilbert Levin, former Viking scientist and now chief executive officer for Spherix in Beltsville, Maryland. His Labeled Release experiment, he told SPACE.com, worked like a charm and gave notice that life was observed.

"The Viking LR experiment detected living microorganisms in the soil of Mars," Levin flatly said.




posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 01:45 PM
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taken from right here www.abovetopsecret.com...'

great read let us open our eyes...


Since our interaction with the aliens began we have come into possession of technology beyond our wildest dreams. A craft named Aurora exists at Area 51 which makes regular trips into space. It is a one stage ship called a TAV (transatmospheric vehicle) and it can take off from the ground using a 7 mile runway, go into high orbit, return on its own power, and land on the same runway. We currently have and fly atomic powered alien type craft at Area S-4 in Nevada. Our pilots have made interplanetary voyages in these craft and have been to the Moon, Mars, and other planets aboard these craft. We have been lied to about the true nature of the Moon, the planets Mars and Venus and the real state of technology that we possess today at this very moment.



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by mojo4sale
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Are you saying that our understanding of the Universe and how it works is now at the level of complete understanding. I certainly don't think that is the case.
I'm sure there are some major surprises in store for us over the next couple of generations.

Yes, I agree. I am still sceptical about Cosmologists theories like Dark Matter or Dark Energy, but until now, they seem valid. So it seems we have a least a certain level of understanding of how the universe works now, otherwise we couldn't be building working cars, planes, lasers, satellites or computers.



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 01:52 PM
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The problem is that the 30 year old Viking data is flawed, if nasa had used the technology available now, at the time on the Rover missions we may have had much better data, but for some reason!!, biological testing was not incorporated into the most recent Mars surveyor's. Funny that, dont you think? From what i've been able to find it would have been reasonably simple using todays technology to incorporate testing for microbial life.

Article on the flawed Viking testing. Does anyone know if the latest probe sent to Mars has the capabilitie's to test for extraterrestrial life forms, if not, that would tell you how serious they are.

news.nationalgeographic.com


Now scientists suggest that telltale signs of life could have been there all along, but Viking's testing methods were not robust enough to recognize them.
"We simulated these [tests] that Viking did 30 years ago, this time in extreme regions of our own planet," said Rafael Navarro-Gonzalez, of the National Autonomous University of Mexico in Mexico City.
"We found low levels of organic compounds in those soils, but we cannot detect them by the same technologies used by the Viking mission."



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by ZEV93
Yes, I agree. I am still sceptical about Cosmologists theories like Dark Matter or Dark Energy, but until now, they seem valid. So it seems we have a least a certain level of understanding of how the universe works now, otherwise we couldn't be building working cars, planes, lasers, satellites or computers.


Thats just my point though. It is only our understanding of the way things work. Isn't it possible that there is so much more that we are not "seeing".
Fact, all our observations of the way things work in the Universe are from either, sterile laboratory enviroments, or from short term space exploration within a limited boundary.
We have not physically been able to test our data outside of this small portion of an insignificant part of a fairly mundane Galaxy. To suggest that because certain things behave in a certain way here, does not necessarily mean that those same things will operate in a similar way 1000 light years from here on a water locked world with a gravity double Earth's. Imo. Not that thats worth much either.



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by mojo4sale
To suggest that because certain things behave in a certain way here, does not necessarily mean that those same things will operate in a similar way 1000 light years from here on a water locked world with a gravity double Earth's. Imo. Not that thats worth much either.

This is not quite correct. We are well able to predict how things will behave on a world with a gravity two times that of earth. And we can tell for sure that water won't flow upwards there or time will go backwards.



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by ZEV93
This is not quite correct. We are well able to predict how things will behave on a world with a gravity two times that of earth. And we can tell for sure that water won't flow upwards there or time will go backwards.


Sure, but can you tell me what life would look like on that planet if it existed. From here. Without physical data. With 100% certainty. ??



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 02:43 PM
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Sorry, don't want to get personal, but I thought you are getting a little childish right now, so i looked up your profile, maybe your are 14 or so. Ooops , you are actually older than me (if that date 1965 is correct).
Why would anyone make such assumptions without sufficent data ? Science is not about guessing, but about extrapolating data thats verified.



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 03:07 PM
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How exactly am i getting childish?
I thought it was a reasonable discussion.
Childish imo would be checking out some ones personal profile in an attempt to find a reason to discredit their point of view.

Whatever mate, its heading off topic anyway.

Take it easy.

{edit: and yes the date 1965 is correct, whatever difference age is supposed to make about some one having an opinion on a subject}.



[edit on 24/8/07 by mojo4sale]



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 03:11 PM
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lol

Anyways, wasn't this Joop guy going to make his official announcement today? Did that ever happen? Maybe I missed it...

[edit on 8/24/2007 by damajikninja]



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 03:25 PM
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I can tell you that Mojo is not childish. check out his other posts! Now if you want to see childish posts you check out bassplyr's posts...especially the drone ones.

Anyway, I personaly feel that they did find evidence for life on other planets in our solar system and that not nasa b ut perhaps higher powers that be (although I have no clue who that would be) have hidden the knowledge. Think abnout all the other knowledge that other civilizations have hid from their own population. It's to me a tried and tested method to keep the poeple down. Limit their education, limit what avenues they think down and you can control them to serve you.

So denying us the education that there is life on other planets and that we are not special and that we have the freedom in reality to think as vastly and as out of the box as the entire universe and more is a very effective methode to keep the wool over a populations eyes. it's just another form of reduced instruction set education. A term I just invented cause I'm thinking out of the box right now. Got the idea from the old architectural design behind risc based computer processors.

I always wondered why Bill Clinton was so eager to have a press conference about the mars rock found a while back. He wanted to tell the world that they had indeed found life on another planet. but some how it all got reversed. Would he have gone on global television and told everybody that we have discovered life on another planet without somebody at nasa telling him it was true? I don't think he would have gone on tv and said that on a whim. Somebody of impoirtance told him it was a discovery of life on another planet, someone he felt he could trust nd was telling him the truth. someone did some damage control behind the scenes and got the story to change direction to the microbes being anything but microbes.

And that is a good point that Mojo brought up. why would they no longer have devices attached to the new mars rovers to look for life. They obviously couldn't be certain that life didn't exist on mars after the initial viking lander missions discoveries. Or why else would there be that hubub about the mars metorite found in antarctica. Maybe they already have/had the answer to the question of weather or not mars harbors life and don't need to put any new sensors for that purpose on the new landing craft we sent there. it would be a waste. now the real question is did they confirm that there was life on mars back with the viking landers. or, did they find cold hard evidence that there wasn't and hence the no devices on later missions thing, despite the whole mars metorie episode that showed that there was doubt in the no life theory.



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 03:51 PM
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Hey mojo I tried sending you a U2U but I got a message stating that I have met my quota. so incase you didn't get it.

I have to say that your posts are some of my favorites here. and besides you seem like a decent guy trying to raise kids, hold down a job, and make sense of this crazy although facinating world. Nothing childish about that.



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 04:02 PM
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For sanity's sake, all i wanted to say was, that even here we must base our assumptions on some logic and evidence and probability. Ever heard of Occams Razor ?
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor"
Maybe you read this. And Mojo, please stop crying!!



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by ZEV93
Why would anyone make such assumptions without sufficent data ? Science is not about guessing, but about extrapolating data thats verified.


Scientists are making these sorts of assumptions. Lots more links if you want from the "Institute of Physics" "NAS" "Astrobiology Researchers" etc.

This from...news.nationalgeographic.com

Flying Whales, Other Aliens Theorized by Scientists


Alien life is not just possible but probable, according to many scientists. And thanks to new technology, we may not be too far from finding it.



Originally posted by ZEV93
And Mojo, please stop crying!!


Thats what us kiddies do, we cry when we get upset.
Classic.



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 07:45 PM
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Coast to Coast AM with George Noory 08/23/07

Here's what I transcribed from last night's broadcast of C2C AM with George Noory that featured Richard C. Hoagland during the first hour. Here's what relates to the story you opened this thread with:

George Noory: Tomorrow, Friday, a fellow by the name of Joop Houtkooper at the Universiity of Giessen, Germany is supposed to say something about the possibility of life on Mars.

Richard Hoagland: You know, George, this is a most intriguing story, because as soon as he came out with his paper, him and a coauthor from the University of Washington, they were smacked down by a guy named Norman Pace whose a microbiologist at the University of Colorado under the employ of NASA, of course. NASA does not want anybody thinking there's anything alive on Mars! And it's interesting that all these breakthroughs come from people that are not associated with NASA, or are working at foreign universities, certainly not working under NASA grants. And what makes this story so interesting, and I'll be really intrigued to see what happens tomorrow when it's formally published, is that it's the next two from a previous story that I went back and traced from 2001 by a another non-NASA scientist named Joseph Miller who is a specialist in cell biology and neurobiology at the Keck School of Medicine at the University of Southern California. Now let me start with that story and then we'll move up to the German story.

GN: Okay.

RH: The Miller story came out in 2001 - was basically that Miller - who was kind of a fan of the Viking mission, and was a friend or a colleague, anyway, of Gil Evan, who was one of the principal investigators on the original Viking spacecraft biology experiments, started looking at some data on the web through the NASA National Space Science Data Center one day and notice some very peculiar things in Levin's published data. Levin's experiment consisted basically of feeding potential Martian microbes in the soil samples something they called "chicken soup". It basically was a organic compound rich in various, you know, things that microbes love to eat, and when the sampler brought the soil into the Viking spacecraft, what they did is by computer dumped this liquid nourishment on the soil to see if anything would grow.

GN: I see. Alright.

RH: And there were three separate - similar sets of experiments looking at different chemical reactions for the by-product of life in the two Viking landers that set down in the summer of 1976, what I've called the Viking summer. Anyway, so, twenty some years later, thirty some years later Miller is looking at this data and he notices from his background in neurobiology, which has to do with human brainwaves and all that, he notices a peculiar rhythm in the graphs from Levin's 1976 biology experiment. He see little peaks and valleys. And it turns out the peaks and valleys have a periodicity of 24.66 hours which is the daily rotation rate of Mars. And these peaks and valleys in the output from the graphs telemetered back to Earth, millions of miles away, went on for nine weeks after the initial experiment was initiated. When the chicken soup was dumped on the soil in the Viking lander. And the conventional explanation was that the activity that was seen initially was simply chemistry. That some kind of reaction between hydrogen peroxide in the reddish soils of Mars was reacting with the water in the quote, "chicken soup", and causing a chemical reaction that was mimicking life.

GN: So no big deal to them at the time.

RH: That's right and NASA said, "There's nothing there. Go away. Move on by. Nothing to see, nothing to see." Well, this guy Miller later looked at this and he said, "Wait a minute guys", this is like thirty years after, he said, "How could you get from a simple chemistry reaction-–", 'cause what chemistry does is that it basically gobbles up all of the available stuff, and there should be no chemistry left to react. Right, after the initial event?

GN: Right.

RH: This – whatever it was went on for nine weeks! And it had this wonderful up, down, up, down, up, down, like the little microbes with the circadian rhythm of the Mars day. Which is 24.66 hours.

GN: Yeah that's amazing.

RH: Looked like they were breathing! They were metabolizing! So now we fast forward the film to this story by our friend from Germany who basically says that based on his completely separate analysis of the other experiment on the Viking lander, he thinks there could be little beasties in the soil.

GN: And he calls them "weird beasties".

RH: "Weird beasties" because instead of using the normal chemistry of life on Earth they use hydrogen peroxide as part of their metabolizing solution. Instead of water they use a saturated form of hydrogen peroxide. Which would have the advantage that it's a really cool antifreeze, and it will allow chemistry of, biological chemistry, to proceed at 60 degrees below zero Fahrenheit. Which, of course, any organisms from Earth would be frozen solid. So when you put these two things together, George, tomorrow could be a really interesting day. Because that's what science is. It's separate guys looking at separate data coming to similar results having not compared notes.

GN: He says that .01% of the Martian soil could be of biological origin, and he says that's not a small amount.

RH: No! That's about the equivalent of biology going on in the soils of the Antarctic here on Earth.

GN: That's incredible.

RH: Why do you say they (NASA) don't want this known?

[continued in the next post]


[edit on 24-8-2007 by Areal51]



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 07:50 PM
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Coast to Coast AM with George Noory 08/23/07

[continued from previous post]

RH: Look, you have to separate the scientists who are basically honest guys looking for what they say they're looking for. You have to separate the science form the politics. Remember, if I'm right, if what Mike and I have put in this book, Dark Missions: Secret History of NASA, is right, there's a huge hidden agenda on the part of the political system that gave us NASA, separate from the scientists, the honest – remember I've always said that most of the agency is filled with honest folks, right? When Gil Evan tried to get attention for his claim that his experiment on Viking had found life on Mars, NASA made his life a living hell, George. They not only didn't do anything to support his data, but they went around and attacked his credibility, they attacked his reputation, they attacked how he had prosecuted the experiment, how he conducted the analyses, they did everything but basically, you know, have him abducted.

GN: Well, the German scientist is already being attacked, as you said, because Pace, this microbiologist at the University of Colorado, simply says, "This sounds bogus, to me."

RH: Yeah, and the fact is he doesn't have a lick of evidence as to – why is it bogus? Because he's using as his criteria terrestrial life? Is it possible that you go to an alien planet, particularly one that's suffered the bizarreness of Mars, and you find an indigenous life form that is operating differently than Earth?

GN: Absolutely.

RH: Well, do you know that we have life forms on Earth that use hydrogen peroxide as part of their living process?

GN: Wouldn't surprise me.

RH: There are beetles, there's a beetle called the Bombardier Beetle, which uses a 25% solution of hydrogen peroxide to basically fire a steam bullet and knock down prey and keep predators at bay. So if life on Earth, in this pampered environment for life, could create an organism, a very complex organism, like a beetle that can use a 25% solution of this caustic compound called hydrogen peroxide, which Pace says will kill bacteria instantly, well, yeah, if they were designed like Earth bacteria. But I think you're right, George, I think that DNA is the code, but there are are so many trillions of possible combinations of things that DNA can code for that if you have the right environment, I think that this (German) scientist and his colleague are on the right track because I go back to Miller. Miller's data is completely separate.

GN: That's a good point.

RH: Everybody out there ask yourself, what could have cause a biological reaction, keeping pace exactly with the Martian day, over nine weeks after the initial injection of the chicken soup in that soil sample? Nine weeks!

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So that's it. I think Hoagland's interview last night tied together a lot of loose ends with this story. Some fascinating work and conclusions by Dr. Joseph Miller as well. All of this should help to show just how important the OP's post really is. Absolutely stunning commentary, in my opinion. I'm eagerly looking forward to more developments. Though, it looks like today it was a no-show for the German scientist. I wonder why.



[edit on 24-8-2007 by Areal51]



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 09:46 PM
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That is cool news. I have always suspected but just couldn't find the time to go there. If there are bacteria that can survive and multiply in the absense of oxygen (anaerobes) then life on Mars is totally plausible.



posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 10:23 PM
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i agree with you but i do have to say that most of us are basing our acceptance of the possibility of life outside earth ON what we know of life ON earth...that make sense to anyone but me?

i mean we have no idea how life would evolve and adapt to environs other than waht we know of our planet



posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 06:54 AM
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This thread totaly made me think of this torrent on demonoid that contained hundreds of images of some southern regions of mars, which where taken over a period of two martian years. The torrent also included alot of information about these images. The images show what they call "martian spiders."

These way i percieved the information included, is that these so called spiders are some sort of makeup in the soil which develops these unusual, upwardardly arching branches in the soil itself. During two martian years, the sattelite images observed the spiders devoloping, then falling apart, and re-devoloping in a seasonal pattern.

I'll post a link to the torrent, in case anyone would like to donwload the said images and scientific data included with it. The details on the page of the torrent alone have alot to say about these spiders and there unusual seasonal activity. Even if u dont want to download the interesting torrent which includes the images and alot more information, I reccomend reading the torrents details page linked below.

www.demonoid.com...

Needless to say, there are clearly parrelells between the 30 yr old data (which has recently been given much attention), and this new two year sattelite image study. You would prolly have to read that torrents details page, or download the torrent itself, to understand more clearly. So if anyone is curious about this, then please goto the link above, and of course report back to us with your comments.



posted on Aug, 25 2007 @ 07:14 AM
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I'm not getting my hopes up, but this has certainly peaked my interest.

What really gets me down though is that I told some people and they simply don't care. I find it very sad indeed when something that I consider world changing, has no effect on some people.

But we all believe it right? That'll do for me.






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