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Coast to Coast AM with George Noory 08/23/07
Here's what I transcribed from last night's broadcast of C2C AM with George Noory that featured Richard C. Hoagland during the first hour. Here's
what relates to the story you opened this thread with:
George Noory: Tomorrow, Friday, a fellow by the name of Joop Houtkooper at the Universiity of Giessen, Germany is supposed to say something about the
possibility of life on Mars.
Richard Hoagland: You know, George, this is a most intriguing story, because as soon as he came out with his paper, him and a coauthor from the
University of Washington, they were smacked down by a guy named Norman Pace whose a microbiologist at the University of Colorado under the employ of
NASA, of course. NASA does not want anybody thinking there's anything alive on Mars! And it's interesting that all these breakthroughs come from
people that are not associated with NASA, or are working at foreign universities, certainly not working under NASA grants. And what makes this story
so interesting, and I'll be really intrigued to see what happens tomorrow when it's formally published, is that it's the next two from a previous
story that I went back and traced from 2001 by a another non-NASA scientist named Joseph Miller who is a specialist in cell biology and neurobiology
at the Keck School of Medicine at the University of Southern California. Now let me start with that story and then we'll move up to the German
RH: The Miller story came out in 2001 - was basically that Miller - who was kind of a fan of the Viking mission, and was a friend or a colleague,
anyway, of Gil Evan, who was one of the principal investigators on the original Viking spacecraft biology experiments, started looking at some data on
the web through the NASA National Space Science Data Center one day and notice some very peculiar things in Levin's published data. Levin's
experiment consisted basically of feeding potential Martian microbes in the soil samples something they called "chicken soup". It basically was a
organic compound rich in various, you know, things that microbes love to eat, and when the sampler brought the soil into the Viking spacecraft, what
they did is by computer dumped this liquid nourishment on the soil to see if anything would grow.
GN: I see. Alright.
RH: And there were three separate - similar sets of experiments looking at different chemical reactions for the by-product of life in the two Viking
landers that set down in the summer of 1976, what I've called the Viking summer. Anyway, so, twenty some years later, thirty some years later Miller
is looking at this data and he notices from his background in neurobiology, which has to do with human brainwaves and all that, he notices a peculiar
rhythm in the graphs from Levin's 1976 biology experiment. He see little peaks and valleys. And it turns out the peaks and valleys have a
periodicity of 24.66 hours which is the daily rotation rate of Mars. And these peaks and valleys in the output from the graphs telemetered back to
Earth, millions of miles away, went on for nine weeks after the initial experiment was initiated. When the chicken soup was dumped on the soil in the
Viking lander. And the conventional explanation was that the activity that was seen initially was simply chemistry. That some kind of reaction
between hydrogen peroxide in the reddish soils of Mars was reacting with the water in the quote, "chicken soup", and causing a chemical reaction
that was mimicking life.
GN: So no big deal to them at the time.
RH: That's right and NASA said, "There's nothing there. Go away. Move on by. Nothing to see, nothing to see." Well, this guy Miller later
looked at this and he said, "Wait a minute guys", this is like thirty years after, he said, "How could you get from a simple chemistry
reaction-–", 'cause what chemistry does is that it basically gobbles up all of the available stuff, and there should be no chemistry left to
react. Right, after the initial event?
RH: This – whatever it was went on for nine weeks! And it had this wonderful up, down, up, down, up, down, like the little microbes with the
circadian rhythm of the Mars day. Which is 24.66 hours.
GN: Yeah that's amazing.
RH: Looked like they were breathing! They were metabolizing! So now we fast forward the film to this story by our friend from Germany who basically
says that based on his completely separate analysis of the other experiment on the Viking lander, he thinks there could be little beasties in the
GN: And he calls them "weird beasties".
RH: "Weird beasties" because instead of using the normal chemistry of life on Earth they use hydrogen peroxide as part of their metabolizing
solution. Instead of water they use a saturated form of hydrogen peroxide. Which would have the advantage that it's a really cool antifreeze, and
it will allow chemistry of, biological chemistry, to proceed at 60 degrees below zero Fahrenheit. Which, of course, any organisms from Earth would be
frozen solid. So when you put these two things together, George, tomorrow could be a really interesting day. Because that's what science is. It's
separate guys looking at separate data coming to similar results having not compared notes.
GN: He says that .01% of the Martian soil could be of biological origin, and he says that's not a small amount.
RH: No! That's about the equivalent of biology going on in the soils of the Antarctic here on Earth.
GN: That's incredible.
RH: Why do you say they (NASA) don't want this known?
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[edit on 24-8-2007 by Areal51]