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What do you think happens after death?

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posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 03:35 AM
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I am going to reply to the original OPs post. I am not going to go into the religious ideas of this as it believe it is requires a general reply.

My beliefs in the afterlife are we are ancient souls - some of us - and others are new souls created. Now i believe that when we die we go to heaven (whatever that is to anyone doesn't matter) and we have lived out another life. We have learned new lessons and perhaps perfected others and we move on. When we are in heaven we may wait hundreds of years to re-incarnate and we choose our new parents based on what lessons we need to learn in the next life. OR we may be reincarnated the same day we pass or the next day. Who knows but i do believe we are re-incarnated.

I doubt we will ever be done with learning and we will perhaps reincarnate hundreds of times.

Our souls are energy and will always be - hence ghosts i guess - i am not a specialist in that field so who knows hehehe

But we will come back.

Hey, when i come back can i keep my ATS account and points? It is, and will be, a bugger to start all over again hehehe... Unless of course my new souls can get more than 5 applauses in a year!




posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
And what was a rock before it became a rock? It came from the earth right? so therefore it always existed in one form or another. Or did the matter that makes up the rock suddenly pop out of nowhere?

It's the same thing with you, before you existed in your bodily form, you were just an itch in you daddy's pants.

But, you still existed in one form or another.



First of all, read up one some high school biology lessons, you weren't a sperm before you were conceived.

Second, while every atom in your body has existed since billions of years your persona has not.



posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by DarkSide

Second, while every atom in your body has existed since billions of years


Exactly my point, once again I have proven you and Asyntax wrong.



posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
Exactly my point, once again I have proven you and Asyntax wrong.


Nope your the one that has misunderstood the whole point i'm afraid. The information patterns in your brain that make up your persona are unique and have never existed before. The fact that the hydrogen molecules in my body were formed in stars is irrelevant.



posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 02:03 PM
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Asyntax, admit that I have disproved your original argument, the one where you state that "non-existence" and "death" are not the same.

Death means that your conscious self ceases to be, much like non-existence where you have no "self" also.

Darkside proved my point that the atoms that comprise your body have existed for billions of years, though they have existed in different forms. The same thing will happen after your death, the atoms that once made up "you" will still exist but in a different form. Therefore death and "non-existence" are sequentially the same.


[edit on 27-8-2007 by thehumbleone]



posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
Darkside proved my point that the atoms that comprise your body have existed for billions of years, though they have existed in different forms. The same thing will happen after your death, the atoms that once made up "you" will still exist but in a different form. Therefore death and "non-existence are sequentially the same.


I agree when it comes to the atoms part, but I did not exist before I was conceived, no matter how old the atoms used to build me according to my dna were.



posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by DarkSide


I agree when it comes to the atoms part, but I did not exist before I was conceived, no matter how old the atoms used to build me according to my dna were.


I understand what you are saying, but my point was not about whether your conscious self has existed before. My point is that whatever makes up you, your body, has existed before in some prior form.

If your conscious self ceases to be after death, how are you gonna know that you never existed before you existed anyway?

Ponder that for a while.

[edit on 27-8-2007 by thehumbleone]



posted on Aug, 27 2007 @ 03:51 PM
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This is my vision of what happens after somebody like me dies. I said this in my own fathers euligy.

My daddy fell asleep reading the newspaper. He was woke up and before him was Jesus with his arms wide open. And Jesus said "Well done my good and faithfull servant. Thou hast given comfort to my sheep. Thou hast given a voice to the ones that don't have one. For all your life thou hast voted a straight Republican ticket. Now enter my kingdom and enjoy the fruits of your labor! AMEN".



posted on Aug, 28 2007 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
If your conscious self ceases to be after death, how are you gonna know that you never existed before you existed anyway?

Ponder that for a while.


When you pass you will still remember ALL your lives before this one AND this one. You will remember all your lessons and be ready to move on to a new physical life OR you will wait till the right moment. It is the evolution of the soul and spiritual evolution. What would it help if we never learned anything or didn't retain the lessons we had to learn. We are also not forced into reincarnation - we choose to be. When we are in the "soul" state we are on a different plane and perhaps spend weeks or hundreds of years waiting for the right time to be reincarnated. I don't believe it is an easy decision for a soul and the right parental combination is crucial to the new lessons we need to learn.

When we pass away and are reincarnated we remember ALL of our past lessons but that are hidden from us so that we are not confused or so we do not become terrified for the present which could inhibit us from moving forward in our new life. Can you imagine if in a past life you were murdered or went through something terrifying and you had to remember that. You wouldn't be able to live full life in this one. You would remember who did what to you and you would possibly see themn again in this life. There would be "hell" on earth


BUT, i do believe that past lessons and experiences will subconsciously affect our decision making and how we live our current life.

Ah now here's something interesting too that deals with different dimensions or different realities.

Source - a good read

Some believe that there is no such thing as time, and that all of our lives are occurring simultaneously. Another speculation is that we may have overlapping or even parallel lives. According to that theory, someone who was born in Chicago in 1957 may also have had a life as an Egyptian street vendor who died in 1963.



posted on Aug, 28 2007 @ 02:36 PM
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reply to post by shearder
 


That's nice shearder, but I was speaking from an atheist perspective to atheists.



posted on Aug, 28 2007 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
I understand what you are saying, but my point was not about whether your conscious self has existed before. My point is that whatever makes up you, your body, has existed before in some prior form.


Agreed.


If your conscious self ceases to be after death, how are you gonna know that you never existed before you existed anyway?


Well it would be like having never existed at all, since if you don't exist you can't recall the period where you existed.



posted on Aug, 28 2007 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by DarkSide


Well it would be like having never existed at all, since if you don't exist you can't recall the period where you existed.


That's interesting, I agree with you.

What about you Asyntax?

[edit on 28-8-2007 by thehumbleone]



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
That's nice shearder, but I was speaking from an atheist perspective to atheists.


Yes i know, that's why God didn't come into it. Apologies if I overstepped the boundaries.



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 03:05 AM
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And answer came there none...


Originally posted by thehumbleone
What do you think Astyanax?

You haven't said anything yet that demands a reply from me.

Apart from this:


Originally posted by thehumbleone
My point was not about whether your conscious self has existed before. My point is that whatever makes up you, your body, has existed before in some prior form.

You tell an untruth. that was not your point. Your point was that my statement 'death and nonexistence are not the same' was wrong, or as you chose to phrase it, 'retarded'.

You have yet to show that death and nonexistence are the same thing. And you will never achieve this, for the simple reason that they are not.



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by Astyanax
And you will never achieve this, for the simple reason that they are not.


Sure I didn't.




[edit on 29-8-2007 by thehumbleone]



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 10:42 PM
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Existing and not existing are closer than you think. Ever heard of something along the lines of man being "of the light" or something biblical like that? Well it is pretty simple, we are projections......we are holographic projections of a source of light. If we are projections....and we feel like we exist.....then maybe existence just is what it is.
I never really bothered to ponder the secret of existence, just accepted the fact that I exist, and I feel like I will continue to exist infinitly as if I were using a Game Genie on Super Mario 3! NINTENDO ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM RULES! Screw 3d, life is 3d......make video games the way they should be: in the 2 dimensional world!



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 11:06 PM
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Here is a true story of mine. My grandpa used to call me "kubusch" which is somthing in Polish that I don't really remember what it means. Sadly, he passed away in October of 2002. My youngest brother was born in June of 2003, and is now 4 years old and talks at the speech level of a normal 4 year old.......He said his first word when he was about 16 months old (putting me at 17)...I was holding him and he looked right into my eyes and said clear as a bell (I SWEAR TO THIS) "kubusch". Good thing I was sitting because I went numb. I was shaking like no other, and I started crying. I firmly believe, because my brother NEVER met my grandpa, that they had met before in spirit thus I believe that there is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, life after death.



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 01:18 AM
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rigor mortis, duh.

Hondestly tho I'm not sure. I feel like there's way more than this existence here in this body. I'll find out one day...



posted on Sep, 18 2007 @ 04:11 AM
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My wife is a psychic individual, and one very perceptive lady all the way around. Many spirits of people that we have known have come back to visit my wife after they have passed. Some had messages, and if my wife was comfortable with it or not sometimes, she would tell the person the message.

At any rate, some very personal information has been passed in these dreams, and they have helped some folks over their grief.

I believe we just simply drift up and out of our material body, and become once again the spirits of energy that we are made up of. I believe some spirits remain close to their loved ones, and that some go back to "the all" and that souls reincarnate in groups and come and go in each others lives in different roles.

I believe "the all" is a universal collective consciousness that is like an ocean of energy around us and through us. I believe it influences us in many ways throughout our lives, and that some people can work with the immatterial part of it better than others.

We have had poltergeists in our homes in every home we have lived in for the past twenty three yrs. So yes, man there is an afterlife of some sort. Just not sure exactly what it is like as of yet
I'm sure I will find out though someday, hell we all do!




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