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A vast satanic conspiracy

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posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 03:50 PM

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The following is the best kept secret in the world. Satanism, and lower, yet connected, forms of organized occultism are very prevalent in our government, military, churches, courts, media, corporate and business world, as well as the covens, lodges and other types of overt low and higher level witchcraft unions.1 The extent of its infiltration is vastly underestimated and actively covered up. People who make accusations of satanic ritual abuse (SRA) are viciously attacked by many seemingly unrelated groups, although the psychiatric field is awash in patients “hallucinating” about this specific and grizzly abuse.2 It has become so prevalent that it is simply ridiculous to ask people to believe there is mass hallucination on such a large scale. Especially considering that the husband and wife founders of the main foundation set up to propagate the idea that this does not exist, the False Memory Foundation, resigned after they were accused by their own daughter of abuse.3 I know this sounds a little out there, but please keep reading, and by the end I hope you will see not only that it is in fact happening, but its happening on a massive scale.

Satanism is the glue that connects the various groups accused by many conspiracy theorists of “running the world,” i.e. groups like the “Neo-cons”, the Freemasons, “the Illuminati”, the Zionists, The Jesuits, or the ancient royal bloodlines of Europe.4 At the top levels these groups are connected through their religious belief system, not through their quest for money, sex or power, although those things are used extensively as motivators for the people in their system. To accuse one of these groups individually as the “lone gunman” is part of the security fence designed to protect this system. It has become very difficult to deny that some shadow government is pushing for a world government. In fact, we now have documentation of this goal5, yet deciding who or what exactly is behind this shadow has been the challenge. This is the answer to that challenge.

Thanks to Alex Jones, we now have hard and public evidence, that the biggest movers and shakers of the political and business world are at least complacent enough to be present in the worship of Molech, an ancient Babylonian god, when they attend “the cremation of care” ceremony performed by men at the Bohemian Grove, an elite resort in northern California attended by presidents and policy makers, as well as business tycoons and newsmen. This ceremony has now been video taped and is widely available for viewing. However, this is by no means the only evidence to support that our leaders are involved in occult ritual worship.6

Albert Pike, author of Morals and Dogma, who is known as one of The major leaders of freemasonry, left nothing to the imagination when making clear that the top levels of the Masonic order are devoted to Lucifer. Here is an excerpt from that book which is given to freemason to study upon reaching the 32nd degree:
"If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy, and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him?
"Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God.”
"Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."7
This is a serious issue for us because it seems that even at the local levels of government, a person is often not even considered for election unless he is part of a fraternal organization such as the masons. This is only circumstantial, I understand, but I wanted you to see how this could easily become a country in which the entire leadership structure secretly follows orders from some occult council or person. The nature and agenda of this religious leadership would then be of the utmost importance to the citizens of the community or state or country, if for no other reason than because their leaders would have strong loyalties that would be a tremendous conflict of interest.
Whether or not we believe in Satan is unimportant because some of our most powerful leaders and heads of industry do, and all facets of our lives, from our local to our federal communities are influenced by people who knowingly or unknowingly are a part of a vast satanic system.1

It is important to note that many of the first few layers of the system do not necessarily even believe in the Satan of the Bible. They consider their power to be granted from any number of benevolent and/or malevolent sources, such as spirit guides, etc. Technically they may be right at that level, and make no mistake that they have real power – power to heal, etc. At the higher level of even the most obscure coven, there is the summoning of spiritual entities and an effort to attach them to those who give them their will to do so.

This brings me to trauma based mind control. This system was being developed by the Nazis and was brought to America by an estimated 700 mind control scientists under the name “Project Paperclip.” This was begun towards the end of WWII, and continued after it ended.8 Many rocket scientists were brought over at that time as well. The deals for the scientists were brokered by the OSS, which was the predecessor of the CIA. They distributed the scientists throughout North and South America and, in effect, continued Hitler’s work. The rocket division was used liberally in the creation of NASA.8 This was supposedly done in order to prevent other hostile nations from acquiring these “valuable” men. Whether or not this was the right decision I won’t guess, but it should suggest to you that there was at least the potential for our system to be corrupted with the ideals and spirituality of these brilliant Nazi war criminals.

[edit on 22-8-2007 by Amenti]

posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 03:51 PM
The Nazi regime was a creation, in effect, of the Thule Society, which is an occult secret society, which the infamous Skull and Bones society was derived from. Three generations of the Bush family is a part of this society and loyal to it, the first being Prescott Bush who was Hitler’s banker in the USA.9 This should raise a series of questions for the American public, considering that his son and his grandson later became presidents of the United States, and that one of them was head of the CIA and must have therefore had some, probably more than nominal, knowledge of Project Paperclip.

The occult history of the Nazis and the Thule Society has been thoroughly shown to be fact.9 This is brought up to show you a little known, yet vastly important aspect of the Nazi, and later American, mind control projects. Some of the main projects were done under the code names MK-ULTRA, MONARCH, and ARTICHOKE.10

They were trauma based mind control programs. This is where they tortured children in various ways in order to get them to “disassociate” or create alternate personalities in order to deal with the trauma. After repeating this again and again, they were able to create triggers and program personalities to do any of a number of things, while keeping the core personality unaware of it. This technology was perfected over the years, and to meet and talk with a victim who has recovered some memory of the horrible techniques is an eye opening experience.

One of the main reasons that occultists employ this technique on children is to artificially create a person who is willing to accept a demon. I know it sounds crazy, but this is what initiates of Satanism do of their own free will when they join. However, since the free will of the person was apparently needed in order to attach a demon, or multiple demons, they took children, and through massive amounts of torture broke down the wills of certain personalities or “alters” which were created in these children. Today, children are being bred specifically for this reason by this vast network.2 This is how, for instance, one of their assassins can have super strength when they are triggered into the assassin alter, but not in their core personality. It is essentially a scientific method of forcing demon possession on someone.

Satanic Ritual Abuse and Multiple Personality Disorder are connected. Children and adult survivors both report sadistic torture, human sacrifice and cannibalism during satanic rituals. They are usually multi-generational, that is that their entire families are “in on it,” and have been, often, for centuries. 2
The most incredible thing is that the families that do these things are most often “normal,” high-income families that society would never suspect. They are part of their churches and communities and local governments. They are actively involved in infiltrating churches and television evangelism in order to discredit and undermine Christianity. They also use the churches, once infiltrated, to perform rituals in.2

This is also done in the most unlikley of places
Father Malichi Martin, the esteemed Catholic priest and advisor to two popes before his life was cut short when he “fell” down a flight of stairs, said in his book Windswept House:

"Suddenly it became unarguable that now during this papacy, the Roman Catholic organization carried a permanent presence of clerics who worshipped Satan and liked it; of bishops and priests who sodomized boys and each other; of nuns who performed the “Black Rites” of Wicca, and who lived in lesbian relationships . . . every day, including Sundays and Holy Days, acts of heresy and blasphemy and outrage and indifference were committed and permitted at holy Altars by men who had been called to be priests. Sacrilegious actions and rites were not only performed on Christ’s altars, but had the connivance or at least the tacit permission of certain Cardinals, archbishops, and bishops. In total number they were a minority—anything from one to ten percent of church personnel. But of that minority, many occupied astoundingly high positions or rank.... The facts that brought the Pope to a new level of suffering were mainly two: the systematic organizational links—the network, in other words, that had been established between certain clerical homosexual groups and Satanist covens. And the inordinate power and influence of that network." (Pp. 492-3) 11

The following is my own conclusion as to what is going on and why. I believe, personally, that Satan, much like God, operates through those who have their respective spirits attached to them, i.e. the Holy Spirit for God, and demon(s) for Satan. Their wills are done through the people that have given themselves to do so. However, as we have seen, Satan has derived a way to mass-produce vessels for his warriors (spirits).

I believe that Satan’s plan has always been to build the infrastructure of a one-world government. We now have plenty of hard evidence to suggest that those in power have been secretly moving us towards globalization.5 The reason this has been such an important part of Satan’s long-term plan is because this system, once functioning, will be strong enough to rule overtly with an iron fist. Satanists and Christians agree that after the Great War of Gog/Magog or World War III, in my opinion, the Antichrist will come as a man of peace. His ultimate goal, as it has always been, is to force everyone on the earth to worship him. He will employ all of his technologies and power to do this.

posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 03:52 PM
Part of the massive deception will be that the Gog/Magog war will be set up to look and feel like the war of Armageddon in the Bible, so that at the end of that bloody war, the antichrist can claim he is the second coming of Christ. This is what is meant by the old myth of the Phoenix rising from the ashes. It refers to the antichrist rising out of the manufactured devestation of WWIII. The antichrist will appear to fulfill Biblical scripture in many ways. He will for instance he will “come on the clouds with his holy ones,” but the anti-christ's false "holy ones" I think will be part of these spiritual Golems that will be introduced to us as “aliens.” The antichrist will probably claim to be one of and/or claim to have authority over these aliens. This new revelation will be the catalyst to uniting the world religions. Then, we will be forced to take a mark that will possibly cause us to feel and do certain things, as well as track us and monitor our buying and selling. It may be that the chip will somehow force us to worship him.

I personally believe that some of the Nephilim of Genesis 6 have survived through the meticulous preserving of bloodlines of various elite families or tribes. This is why the last world empire in Daniel, chapter 2 appears to be run by people from a seed other than the seed of men. It is why the iron does not mix with the clay.

The sheer number of satanic covens is shocking, as is the fact that they breed babies for cannibalism and sacrifice, and the fact that they are in your church and local governments. 2 To see how deeply they have infiltrated these facets, you only have to note the fevered the protests denying these activities. Modern academia claim that these people reporting Satanic ritual abuse are all having “false memory syndrome”, because they watched Oprah or Geraldo or Sally in the 80’s when they did some specials on SRA13 (a simplification of the idea). One of the problems with this is that there is in fact a lot of convictions clearly validating the victims testimonies, not to mention all the children that consistently describe inhuman torture in what can only be described as ritual environments.12 Please look at the data and statistics and compare them to what the official story is. (you wont have to look far to find that) The illogical and fervent denial of this is telling, in and of itself.

The spirit that dwells in Christians is the literally the spirit of God. This is what is meant by 1 John 4:4, “Greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world.” Basically, the infinite spirit in Christians is no match for the finite spirit that consists of the evil one and his army. If a Christian knows they have authority and uses it, they can command the spirits with total authority. This is an unacceptable arrangement as far as evil is concerned, and Satan has launched quite a campaign to keep people from understanding or wanting this authority. This game is being played whether we like it or not and whether we believe it is or not. It comes down to which spirit we will let inside of us. Ultimately, it will be one or the other.

We have run out of time. The players in the Gog/Magog war have chosen as it was said that they would.14 This war will bring about death on such a scale that we will beg for a world government. The deception will be overwhelming, and unless you ask for the Spirit of Jesus to dwell in you, soon you, too, will believe the lie.

“For false christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.” Mark 13:32

1 business and government occultism
Satanism in the military
kay griggs'
Satanism in the church

2 sra movies
franklin coverup movie
case by case
cover up
3 false memory foundation

4 Fritz Springmeir video

5 global government

posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 03:52 PM
6 alex jones dark secrets inside the bohemian grove

7 morals and dogma
Fritz Springmeir video

8 project paperclip

9 Nazi, occult and bush connections
nazi occult connections
bush nazi-link confirmed

10 mind control
The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable
Total Mind Controlled Slave

11 Windswept House

12 Cases sra
franklin coverup


14 gog magog war

posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 12:29 AM
Here is a very important reference I should have used. it’s a lecture from former FBI investigator Ted Gunderson concerning Satanic Ritual Abuse. It confirms the huge coverup of this stuff and how widespread it is.

posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 01:06 AM

Im confused...

So Freemasons believe Lucifer is actually a God and isnt evil ? And who the heck is the Adonay fella ? Is that the one God us christians worship ?

So these folks think there is no Satan ? Or are they just playing semantics ?

If I recall correctly, it says in Revelations something about the anti-christ coming to Earth and posing as God or Christ. He then tricks or convinces billions to follow him by doing miracles and such. Perhaps this Lucifer belief is a head start ?

posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 01:30 AM

Originally posted by admriker444
Im confused...

So Freemasons believe Lucifer is actually a God and isnt evil ? And who the heck is the Adonay fella ? Is that the one God us christians worship ?

yes, from what I can gather. You can read through the rest of what Pike and others have to say about it. They make it clear enough for me to say with relative certainty.

and Adonay or Adoni (as I have seen spelled it most) refers to the Christian God.

Originally posted by admriker444
So these folks think there is no Satan ? Or are they just playing semantics ?

I think that when Pike says the following he is saying that the belief in Satan or Lucifer as the ONLY God or the God with a big G is Heresy. as opposed to the belief that Satan shares equal status with "Adonay" although the "Goodness" is reversed. but I could be wrong ... he says:

"Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."

[edit on 23-8-2007 by Amenti]

posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 02:50 AM
I am an acutal victim /survivor of this very thing. It is indeed mulitigenerational in nature, but I must add to the argument. I started doing research, and my perpetrators from childhood realized I started to "conect the dots", and that I was bound to discover too much. I was used in many things in childhood, many women of this are used as sex slaves, such as Candy JOnes fame, and Brice TAylor who you can google. But also children are genitically engineered so they can be USED for their exceptional abilities in strength, and even as spys.

What I came about to believe is that there is a connection between Satanic Ritual Abuse and ET involvment. I beleive that Project Monarch survivors, which was a subproject of MK ULTRA of CIA activities, and which I am a victim of, seemed to begin getting memories of alien invovlment. Some may say it was staged, but I DO not beleive this to be true. I believe that the so called Cover is used as a cover if that makes any sense, and that as Ron Patton has written in an article about Project Monarch survivors,ET's were reported being at some of these satanic ritual ceremonies. There seems to be a tie with them and the winged DRacos or reptilians who collaborate with the ILLUMINATI. It almost seems that is where the Illuminati and the freemasons and all the rest got SAtanism from, because SAtan or Lucifer could in fact be an ET himself. This is where I started getting targeted hard and my memory erased with all their technology, because I did too much research and was too curious. NOt all survivors of Project MOnarch are given cancer and had their body essentially destroyed, because they want WOrld Dominatin as Amenti mentioned, and if one does not "join the c rown" they will give you cancer or some other horrible disease. Please read the writings of James Bartley who writes about the reptialians, and the ultimate punishment one will get if they do not go along with the program. For this ONe World government there cannot be any black sheep in the herd, as I seem to be, and if there is they need to be gotten rid of in the ILluminati's eyes. People are being driven to suicide by programming or being made to have heart attacks with this technology, which this shadow government has control of via the military.

Most survivors of Satanic Ritual Abuse must struggle their whole lives with memories, I beleive mine were coming up but I was put on medicatin which was created by Pharma to block memroies from coming up. It is a total conspiracy, with all entities involved it seems. Then going off it, weird stuff was coming up, and immediately they targetted me heavily to erase my memory via a Freezing technology and derected energy weapons.

This is a VERY important topic that must be discussed and I hope people will read what AMenti has posted!!

posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 03:31 AM
This is IMO the most important topic that can be discussed. The battle for this world and the people on it is ultimately a spiritual battle. Most people will laugh and dismiss such a topic out of hand, and that’s as it should be for there have ever been only a minority that have received a love of the truth. Never mind the wind and waves, eyes on the goal.

I too have first hand knowledge of the occult conspiracy. I believe that I was targeted by these people from a very young age (perhaps from the womb) to fill some role in their hierarchy. I was not subjected to the monarch program, thank God, but I did have a series of terrible things done to me over many years, in an attempt to make me a sociopath and to destroy my empathy toward others. This is of course necessary if you’re going to be doing horrible things to children and others like inflicting the monarch mind control program. There were many attempts to recruit me into the occult, but fortunately for me God chose me as his own and has kept me from it despite myself. Of course the only alternative to serving the god of this world is to be targeted for destruction by him, and so I have had a lifetime of being under attack by these filth, including having my reputation, privacy, property and profession destroyed. It has also given me the opportunity to share the truth with others however, and that has made it more than worth it. I’ll have plenty to answer for when I stand before God, but why I didn’t fight against His enemies will not be one.

posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 03:38 AM
The word is Lucifer ...not Satan.

Luciferians consider Satanism to be junior league kindergarden stuff. Luciferianism is much more refined and sophisticated than the entry level kindergarden of Satanism.

to cover it up Lucifer is often refered to in thier writings as the

"Good God."

As Albert Pike is often quoted as saying

"Yes Lucifer is God and unfortunately Adonay is also God."

Whenever I see that term ..the Good ears and radar perk up.
I know it is a watch word to pay close attention.

Most never have any reason to pay attention.

Back when I realized that our coinage of the days of Gold and Silver and even copper coinage were in fact a system of just weights and measures..and conformed to bible descriptions of how measures and weights were to be done...I understood that the God of our government was in fact the God of the Bible.

Remember this term...Just weights and Measures...perfect weights and measures...just balances and just scales.

Somewhere along the line of my study in the history of money..I realized that our government had switched to a system of Unjust weights and measures..unjust and imperfect balances and scales.
When I realized what the fullness of this bode for us...I realized that somewhere down the historic line of this nation our government switched Gods from the God of just weights and measures to the god of unjust weights and measures....and was involved in counterfitting.
Whats more...they didnt tell most of us or educate us in this switch.
They had switched to the god who was the counterfitter. In God We Trust??

We now have still in circulation a One Dollar Susan B Anthony coin which is two thirds the size and weight of a fifty cent piece and yet claims to be worth twice as much. You have to go to school to get that stupid. Whats worse they have managed to get most of the public not to notice this angle or irregularity. Talk about Magick.

Our government has switched to the counterfitter as a god and not told us that they have done this deception.

In like manner the ,Pharisess in Ancient Israel, when catching a woman caught in the very act ..brought here before Jesus and said what say ye rabbi?? Yet they claim to be keeping and boasted of keeping the Law of Moses in all parts. You cannot catch a woman in adultery in the very act without catching a man. They only brought the woman...not the man. The Law of Moses states they both shall be stoned..not one. The law the Pharisees kept worked out such that women get stoned men dont.
Like our government today with our money system, the Pharisess had switched Laws and tried to overlay it as if it was the Law of Moses thinking no one would notice.
They had counterfitted and switched Gods without telling anyone..just like our government is doing today.
Want to know why they dont want Bible in school. One out of a thousand might be sufficiently intelligent to make this connection and what it actually means. That would be one to many. Governments do not usually finance thier competition.

Another side light to the OP'(Amenti's) story and how I came to realize some of this facet of which they post.


posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 04:06 AM
mmmm, theres a lot of content to read, and for once someone has decided to back stuff up with a whole lot of sources.
Good work Amenti this is a great thread.

All too many people dont relise about this being a Spiritual battle and I think trying getting that idea out to the world is useless. I mean I get laughed at even by the others in my church for talking about ETs being around even when I explain about them being deamons that have taken on a physical form (if thats what you could call them).
Personaly I had no idea as to what extent the above happenings were going on and I cant begin to imagine what some of you have been through.
It makes me incredably angry that they can go and do things to people and treat their fellow humans like that which has been described. All in the name of doing what their "God" ha said to them.

hrmmm, Just keep God close to your hearts people... Ill be parying for you all nods.

-fm (hope what I said makes sence lol)

posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 11:49 AM
Honestly, I wish I knew of some huge foundation that I trusted that was doing something.
I would however recommend contacting Russ Dizdar of
he has seen it all with this, and if anyone can give you solid advice he could.

he has a lot of audio online so you can listen to him to see if you trust him before you contact him.

[edit on 23-8-2007 by Amenti]

posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 12:02 PM
reply to post by Amenti

Wow! That's a TON of information! I am thoroughly impressed by the obvious amount of time and effort you have put into this. And you even provided countless links to further documentation!

Regardless of what others may conclude from the ideas in your post, the post itself was very well made! I wish all ATS posts were of this caliber!


Now I have to start digging through all of this... where to start...

[edit on 8/23/2007 by damajikninja]

posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 01:44 PM

Good job doing your research and really putting out the information you gathered. I've opened my eyes a few months ago about all this occurring at a large scale in front of our eyes. Thanks for all the links, I'm going through them as we speak...


Very interesting stuff you have to say....what is it you remember happening?

posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 01:55 PM
I find it odd that these followers of Lucifer consider him a good God. Especially when they do horrific evil in his name.

Are they deluding themselves or their followers ? Or do they honestly believe Lucifer is good ?

Also, I did some research on this satanic church called the Temple of Set.
The founder was a CIA agent. Their beliefs are rather strange as well.

I did quite a bit of reading on them and many sites contradict the other. Some say they dont believe in Satan but rather a "Prince of Darkness" Other sites say this church like other satanic churches believe in the old "if it feels good, do it" thinking. They dont believe in heaven and hell or good vs evil. Some reading I came across talks of self-fullfilment. It all sounded like selfish folks looking for a means to justify acting like jerks to their fellow man.

The whole subject is just strange. A church of Satan that says Satan doesnt exist.

On a personal note, I got interested in this subject in 1989. I was an MP stationed in Bamberg West Germany. While patrolling one of the military housing developments outside of the base, I noticed an odd building. It was circle shaped and the windows were also circles. On top of the building was an upside down cross. There were plenty of rumors on what that building was used for...

posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 08:30 PM
I would like to post a some criticism I received from a friend regarding this article I wrote, whos opinion I have tremendous respect for, although we dont always see eye to eye. He usually calls me out when I miss something.
he wrote:

i agree w/ the commentator who said that jones' propogation of the bohemian owl B-ing molech is based on deceit. check the wikipedia article on molech. in no way is there any connection between molech & owls i the ancient world. the only figure from the ancient world associated w/ owls is lilith. check her wikipedia entry & the picture of the relief of (possibly) liltu, inanna or erishkigal dated @ c. 1950 BC.

skull & bones is almost certainly the american branch of the jesuit-created, rothschild-funded, weishaupt-fronted illuminati. the thule society was not its progenitor altho' there may have been some interaction between the 1st 2 world wars. C the following from wikipedia:

The Thule Society was a cover-name adopted by Rudolf von Sebottendorff, a German occultist, for his Munich lodge of the Germanenorden Walvater of the Holy Grail at its formal dedication on August 18, 1918. The Germanenorden Walvater was a schismatic offshoot of the Germanenorden, a secret society (a.k.a. the "Order of Teutons") founded in 1911 and named Germanenorden in 1912.
Von Sebottendorff later claimed that he originally intended the Thule Society to be a vehicle for promoting his own occultist theories, but that the Germanenorden pressed him to emphasize political, nationalist and anti-Semitic themes. Since this claim was made while the Nazis were in power and von Sebottendorff had little to gain by denying anti-Semitism, it may well be true.

and while Im here here are a few more videos related to all of this that I missed the first time

posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 04:16 AM
The idea of a vast Satanic network is seductively spooky. In fact, there are some genuinely disturbing connections between secret occult societies and, for example, the Third Reich. I really enjoyed reading your post, Ameti, and your intuitions may well be onto something, so I want to take care not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

One inaccuracy that needs to be addressed, though, are the comments supposedly made by Albert Pike about Lucifer and the Christian God. Pike never said nor wrote those words. They were written by a man who wrote under the pen name of Leo Taxil, but was born Marie Joseph Gabriel Antoine Jogand-Pagès. He was a very convincing, colorful huckster and he managed to con lots of very bright people, including a Pope. Here is a Wikipedia (I know, quick and dirty but it at least gives a frame of reference) link to the infamous Taxil Hoax .

I think that when we discuss complicated conspiracies, we need to be careful not to make claims that are verifiably false (known and undisputed hoaxes) because otherwise the rich tapestry of the entire claim can unravel too easily.

[edit on 24-8-2007 by peabody]

posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 04:28 AM
three points:

1. include christianity into that conspiracy-pyramid
2. consider that there are many competing factions in the world who compete for control and do not all have the same goal.
3. consider that having influence & power does not necessarily mean being "bad". You have humans in high and low places.

posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 04:45 AM

Originally posted by admriker444
I find it odd that these followers of Lucifer consider him a good God. Especially when they do horrific evil in his name.

Are they deluding themselves or their followers ? Or do they honestly believe Lucifer is good ?

I’ve only known one of these folks, but we had many conversations on the subject and I learned a few things I think. This guy was a CIA operative that was trying to recruit me, and was quite up front about his beliefs. His particular belief system was Santeria, a mix of Catholicism and Voodoo, but there seems to be no end to the different types of beliefs, rituals and labels used. It seems that as long as you’re in rebellion to God, Satan can use you. This guy didn’t bother trying to call the things he did good, he simply said that the evil side was stronger and would win in the end. This guy was basically bought by the CIA as a young child, put through the mind control program, used as a sex slave while a child, and then turned into a CIA goon after puberty. Not too difficult to see why he would think that evil is stronger than good. He seemed to think that telling me about all the terrible things done to him and others would be an enticement to me to join. Apparently it is for a lot of people.

posted on Aug, 24 2007 @ 11:43 AM

Originally posted by peabody

One inaccuracy that needs to be addressed, though, are the comments supposedly made by Albert Pike about Lucifer and the Christian God. Pike never said nor wrote those words. They were written by a man who wrote under the pen name of Leo Taxil, but was born Marie Joseph Gabriel Antoine Jogand-Pagès. He was a very convincing, colorful huckster and he managed to con lots of very bright people, including a Pope. Here is a Wikipedia (I know, quick and dirty but it at least gives a frame of reference) link to the infamous Taxil Hoax .

I think that when we discuss complicated conspiracies, we need to be careful not to make claims that are verifiably false (known and undisputed hoaxes) because otherwise the rich tapestry of the entire claim can unravel too easily.

[edit on 24-8-2007 by peabody]

Thank you, I appreciate the input,
However, I think there is more to Leo Taxil's "hoax" than meets the eye.

Freemasonry tries to debunk all links between itself and Luciferian doctrine using Leo Taxil's confession.

Without question it is a last century Masonic attempt to deal with the embarrassment that Masonry experienced when General Albert Pike's letter giving instructions to the 23 supreme councils of the world fell into public hands.

These are the details behind Albert Pike's letter to the hierarchy of world Freemasonry, and the letter itself..

Pike took fifty years to develop and gradually introduce his Luciferian Rite to a select few within the 33rd Degree Supreme Council at Charleston. He also converted the Masonic hierarchy in London, Berlin, and Rome. During the latter half of his work, however, French atheists began to attack spiritism and symbolism within French Lodges. By 1877 French Freemasonry overtly declared what it had covertly taught since 1840- that there is no god but humanity. English Freemasonry, which demands a belief in deity, immediately broke fellowship with the French Grand Orient. Pike, as sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry, wanted to heal the rift by presenting his Luciferian Doctrine at the July 14, 1889, Supreme Council convention in Paris, France. Unable to travel due to poor health, he instead explicated the doctrine in a letter to be read on the convention floor. Afterward the letter was published by A. C. De La Rive in LaFemme et t'Enfant dans la Franc-Maconnerie Universelle. The Freemason, a Masonic periodical in England, noted the reading of the letter in its January 19, 1935, issue. Count de Poncins quotes portions of the letter in Freemasonry and the Vatican. The most comprehensive quote, however, comes to us from Edith Miller in Occult Theocrasy. Following is Albert Pike's 1889 concept of how Lucifer should be presented to high degree Masons, while keeping the lower degree initiates and the general public ignorant:

Twenty years later a man called Gabriel Jogand-Pagès, better known as Léo Taxil suddenly announced at a public meeting in Paris that he had concocted a huge elaborate joke that had fooled everyone and that now, as a consequence of his confession, the above letter could be disregarded.

The record of the confession runs to more than 13,000 words.

It is recorded in full conversational style so it is clearly not a press release. For example..
A churchman: "What you are doing right now is abominable, Sir"
Another listener: "For your punishment, a priest will never receive your confession. You are an utmost rascal!" (Tumult)
Another listener: "All priests in this hall ought to leave at once!" Abbott Garnier: "No! We must listen the scoundrel to the end!" (some people in the audience stand up and leave)
M. Léo Taxil "Whether you leave or not doesn't matter. I proceed...."

Now today - more than a century later - this would be a serious undertaking for any journalist using the most sophisticated typing equipment. Go back in your mind to the means of writing available in 1897 and then try to imagine these 13,000+ words being recorded in their full moment by moment spontaneity. Just speak the short sample passage above out loud in the hasty angry tones that are implied and ask someone to write (or even type) the conversation. You'll soon see what any court of law would see. That the above is a carefully crafted piece of deception.

Even the way it is recorded for public consumption is as an amateur playwright would write. For example..
A voice. "That was a successful prank!"
Another listener. "These freemasons were your accomplices!"
M. Léo Taxil "You bet!...

Only one group of people would benefit from such a carefully crafted deception. Freemasonry.

Despite all its obvious nonsense - such as Albert Pike meeting with the devil at 3pm every Friday at Masonic HQ - it had at the heart of it, the sole purpose, the single minded intent, of debunking Albert Pike's instructions to the 23 supreme councils of the world.

read the rest here if you are interested its very interesting.

also it goes on in this article to describe Pikes personal beliefs and his view on baphomet vs Satan vs Lucifer, what he thought etc. this seems to come up a lot, So its good to look over.

Although the kind of evidence that wouldn't stand up in court, I would submit that I have had one family member who was a high level freemason suggest its nature was satanic, although this guy was one evil mofo he had the power to heal people, he apparently changed his mind later and was insistent that his daughter not let them give him the masonic funeral and not to read some book (which she did anyway) and found it to be worshipful of the Devil. Again I might as well not even mentioned that bit because Its based on second hand info. and I have nothing to back it up.

anyway the stuff about Leo I think is worth researching

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