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Originally posted by admriker444
So Freemasons believe Lucifer is actually a God and isnt evil ? And who the heck is the Adonay fella ? Is that the one God us christians worship ?
Originally posted by admriker444
So these folks think there is no Satan ? Or are they just playing semantics ?
i agree w/ the commentator who said that jones' propogation of the bohemian owl B-ing molech is based on deceit. check the wikipedia article on molech. in no way is there any connection between molech & owls i the ancient world. the only figure from the ancient world associated w/ owls is lilith. check her wikipedia entry & the picture of the relief of (possibly) liltu, inanna or erishkigal dated @ c. 1950 BC.
skull & bones is almost certainly the american branch of the jesuit-created, rothschild-funded, weishaupt-fronted illuminati. the thule society was not its progenitor altho' there may have been some interaction between the 1st 2 world wars. C the following from wikipedia:
The Thule Society was a cover-name adopted by Rudolf von Sebottendorff, a German occultist, for his Munich lodge of the Germanenorden Walvater of the Holy Grail at its formal dedication on August 18, 1918. The Germanenorden Walvater was a schismatic offshoot of the Germanenorden, a secret society (a.k.a. the "Order of Teutons") founded in 1911 and named Germanenorden in 1912.
Von Sebottendorff later claimed that he originally intended the Thule Society to be a vehicle for promoting his own occultist theories, but that the Germanenorden pressed him to emphasize political, nationalist and anti-Semitic themes. Since this claim was made while the Nazis were in power and von Sebottendorff had little to gain by denying anti-Semitism, it may well be true.
Originally posted by admriker444
I find it odd that these followers of Lucifer consider him a good God. Especially when they do horrific evil in his name.
Are they deluding themselves or their followers ? Or do they honestly believe Lucifer is good ?
Originally posted by peabody
One inaccuracy that needs to be addressed, though, are the comments supposedly made by Albert Pike about Lucifer and the Christian God. Pike never said nor wrote those words. They were written by a man who wrote under the pen name of Leo Taxil, but was born Marie Joseph Gabriel Antoine Jogand-Pagès. He was a very convincing, colorful huckster and he managed to con lots of very bright people, including a Pope. Here is a Wikipedia (I know, quick and dirty but it at least gives a frame of reference) link to the infamous Taxil Hoax en.wikipedia.org... .
I think that when we discuss complicated conspiracies, we need to be careful not to make claims that are verifiably false (known and undisputed hoaxes) because otherwise the rich tapestry of the entire claim can unravel too easily.
[edit on 24-8-2007 by peabody]
Freemasonry tries to debunk all links between itself and Luciferian doctrine using Leo Taxil's confession.
Without question it is a last century Masonic attempt to deal with the embarrassment that Masonry experienced when General Albert Pike's letter giving instructions to the 23 supreme councils of the world fell into public hands.
These are the details behind Albert Pike's letter to the hierarchy of world Freemasonry, and the letter itself..
Pike took fifty years to develop and gradually introduce his Luciferian Rite to a select few within the 33rd Degree Supreme Council at Charleston. He also converted the Masonic hierarchy in London, Berlin, and Rome. During the latter half of his work, however, French atheists began to attack spiritism and symbolism within French Lodges. By 1877 French Freemasonry overtly declared what it had covertly taught since 1840- that there is no god but humanity. English Freemasonry, which demands a belief in deity, immediately broke fellowship with the French Grand Orient. Pike, as sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry, wanted to heal the rift by presenting his Luciferian Doctrine at the July 14, 1889, Supreme Council convention in Paris, France. Unable to travel due to poor health, he instead explicated the doctrine in a letter to be read on the convention floor. Afterward the letter was published by A. C. De La Rive in LaFemme et t'Enfant dans la Franc-Maconnerie Universelle. The Freemason, a Masonic periodical in England, noted the reading of the letter in its January 19, 1935, issue. Count de Poncins quotes portions of the letter in Freemasonry and the Vatican. The most comprehensive quote, however, comes to us from Edith Miller in Occult Theocrasy. Following is Albert Pike's 1889 concept of how Lucifer should be presented to high degree Masons, while keeping the lower degree initiates and the general public ignorant:
Twenty years later a man called Gabriel Jogand-Pagès, better known as Léo Taxil suddenly announced at a public meeting in Paris that he had concocted a huge elaborate joke that had fooled everyone and that now, as a consequence of his confession, the above letter could be disregarded.
The record of the confession runs to more than 13,000 words.
It is recorded in full conversational style so it is clearly not a press release. For example..
A churchman: "What you are doing right now is abominable, Sir"
Another listener: "For your punishment, a priest will never receive your confession. You are an utmost rascal!" (Tumult)
Another listener: "All priests in this hall ought to leave at once!" Abbott Garnier: "No! We must listen the scoundrel to the end!" (some people in the audience stand up and leave)
M. Léo Taxil "Whether you leave or not doesn't matter. I proceed...."
Now today - more than a century later - this would be a serious undertaking for any journalist using the most sophisticated typing equipment. Go back in your mind to the means of writing available in 1897 and then try to imagine these 13,000+ words being recorded in their full moment by moment spontaneity. Just speak the short sample passage above out loud in the hasty angry tones that are implied and ask someone to write (or even type) the conversation. You'll soon see what any court of law would see. That the above is a carefully crafted piece of deception.
Even the way it is recorded for public consumption is as an amateur playwright would write. For example..
A voice. "That was a successful prank!"
Another listener. "These freemasons were your accomplices!"
M. Léo Taxil "You bet!...
Only one group of people would benefit from such a carefully crafted deception. Freemasonry.
Despite all its obvious nonsense - such as Albert Pike meeting with the devil at 3pm every Friday at Masonic HQ - it had at the heart of it, the sole purpose, the single minded intent, of debunking Albert Pike's instructions to the 23 supreme councils of the world.