Chávez deal to aid low-income Londoners

Some people don't really understand, Chavez isn't giving out bus passes to poor people in London..

He has done a deal where London gets 20% off in return for some people going over to help plan their infrastructure. That 20% off is being used by London to give poor people a discount when they use the oyster card (Something already in use).

okay, maybe it wasn't right for me to tell a joke

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[edit on 23-8-2007 by infinite]

Hmm, first page of a Google image search produces a farmer with a car and a tractor:

Are you claiming like some other moderators that I am lying about Cuba?.....

I gave an article about what has happened to some of the farmers who still had tractors....

i find it ironic that someone living somewhere else around the world and has never visited Cuba would try to imply I am lying....

I guess that farmer and anyone who might work for the regime and be Communist are all going to use the 53,000 barrels of oil each day....when most Cubans do not own a car, and most farmers do not have tractors....


[edit on 23-8-2007 by Muaddib]

Anyways...

Here are some of the reasons why Chavez is doing this.



As always Chavez blames the United States for what other countries decide for themselves...

Anyways, continuing to read that link you can read.



Chavez wants to stay in power for as long or longer than castro has been in power, and he needs the world to believe he is a good man, just like castro has done...

Going down a bit more on that link, which I will give the url at the end.


www.venezuelatoday.org...

That's a HUGE assuption, Cuba is a major tourist destination from Canada. You just happen to be right though, I haven't been to Cuba, my sister has though.

BTW, who said anything about lying? Sheesh.

Oh and btw Intrepid...if you do a search of "flying witch" you will even get a video showing what appears to be a witch flying with a broom...

i guess you believe that too huh?....

Lame Muaddib. I guess you'll next tell me that Cuba doesn't really exist, just like said witch.

And could you tell us what you were trying to imply by posting that photo?....

I guess your "sister" went around the real poor barrios and visited the farms in Cuba or the work camps in Cuba where "children" gather food and other products without tractors.....

[edit on 23-8-2007 by Muaddib]

Tell me why most regular Cubans do not have cars.

Probably you want to blame their directorship and communism.

But why not US embargo? The direct economic impact is estimated at $ 86 billion or $ 10000 per person. Every Cuban can get a car with the money.

As for Castro, according to some stories I read, unlike Kim, his personalities is far better than Mrs. Bush. He won't keep the money for just himself I think.

We have several other threads dealing with Cuba, and the situation there...and yes I was born and raised in Cuba and still have family there and can tell you the situation in Cuba is because of fidel castro...he was the one who made all the changes right after he took office.....so yes, he is keeping that money for himself and to pay his stooges...

castro's personality better than president Bush....

I know many in the left around here want to think differently....

[edit on 23-8-2007 by Muaddib]

I was under the assumption the oil is used for power in Cuba seeing as they will never get any coal from one of the largest and closest sources on Earth (USA). If I am wrong please correct me.

Perhaps if USA would lift their embargo and sanctions the Cuban people would not be in such a pickle?

We give Saudi Arabia a chance, we gave China a chance. We have started giving Libya a chance too. Why oh why do you feel Cuba does not deserve a chance?

In any case, this soudns like business as usual in London and Venezuela. People are still free to do business as far as I know. And if it benefits the proles, all the better eh?

Naa, what is lame is "posting a photo about who knows who that is" as a response to my statement and the link I gave.

It's a gesture of friendship and that is all. He did not kill anybody for stupid reasons like Saudi Arabia does, and he is not a dictator like the king of Saudi Arabia
Imagine a world where every country sends to other countries free stuff

When i was young i remember large quantities of ashes falling once in a while in havana, although i don't know exactly what was used to power the powerplants.

Also in Cuba electricity is rationed, and we only have electricity for a little while each day. In Cuba most houses are not fitted with gas stoves to warm water, people warm water in stoves outside which oftentimes use wood.

Here is the latest powerplant that was built in Cuba.


www.cubanet.org...

Meh...I think at least one or two members already pointed out that Chavez is not giving this for free...

Second, yes he is a real dictator... Dictators don't give the go ahead to strategic plans to shoot civilians in the headfor protesting peacefully. chavez did in 2002...

[edit on 23-8-2007 by Muaddib]

Who says he did ?
Watch this movie , the CIA was shooting civilians in the head :

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

You should be learning spanish and watching what Chavez himself has said from his own mouth instead of relying on a "westernized bastardized version of the events to blame "THE CIA"....

[edit on 23-8-2007 by Muaddib]

But it is not Free when he attaches strings to the deal/agreement is it?

I just love it when fools go out and dangle a carrot or two in front of people to get them as friends knowing all the while they have an agenda to push on them. In this case it would be communism and to that I and most others wouold say Thanks but No Thanks

i don't want to derail more the thread about Cuba in specific, but here is some more information on powerplants from 2005.

The most interesting part is.



ctp.iccas.miami.edu...

Maybe we should get back to Chavez and his reasons for doing this deal with London.

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