Chávez deal to aid low-income Londoners

this story was around a few months ago. i believe that venezuela will get some experts from london helping them with their transport/urban infrastructure planning which sounds a fair exchange. i think i remember the oil would be costing 20% of what would normally be paid for it.

Originally posted by dgtempe
Chavez, Castro's best friend giving away oil. How nice.

Better he take that oil and stuff it- he's el diablo pretending to do good around the world. Sorry, and sorry for those who will have a cold winter, i mean that from the bottom of my heart, but to accept oil from that snakeoil peddler, is to accept Satan, 666, and the whole kit and kabootle.

I cant stomach EVIL DISGUISED AS GOOD. Dont fall for it.

If he wants to do GOOD, he should help support every one of his people and send aid to Cubans that have it so bad. After all, they're friends.

He extends his claws to the British and Americans so that he can be looked upon as a humanitarian when his own people are starving.
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Wow what a funny post. Starving people? Hmmm when was the last time you were in Venezuela? Chavez is helping Cuba a gr8 deal and Cuba is helping Venezuela back (Especially with doctors).
Your post show a total ignorance of a country you probabbly know nothing and of a man you know even less. You probably watch a little CNN here and there and you think you know everything. Ohh man ignorance, ignorance, how can we fight it?

Souljah,
Good idea by Chavez-but a shame it is linked to the notorious oystercard,which is one of the first RFID tracking devices used by the state.Many feel the card is used to monitor and track peoples movements around the city.
If Chavez offered me cheap fuel but it was on condition that I carried an oystercard-I wouldn't except the offer.
Why can`t he just give the cheap fuel to everyone in London?The fact that it is linked to the oystercard should raise flags-does he possibly get access to the card data?Doubtful.
Could those who accept the cheap fuel from Chavez be looked at as "possible subversives" by the state and have their movements more closely watched?Possible IMO.

Originally posted by dgtempe
Chavez, Castro's best friend giving away oil. How nice.

Better he take that oil and stuff it- he's el diablo pretending to do good around the world. Sorry, and sorry for those who will have a cold winter, i mean that from the bottom of my heart, but to accept oil from that snakeoil peddler, is to accept Satan, 666, and the whole kit and kabootle.

I cant stomach EVIL DISGUISED AS GOOD. Dont fall for it.

If he wants to do GOOD, he should help support every one of his people and send aid to Cubans that have it so bad. After all, they're friends.

He extends his claws to the British and Americans so that he can be looked upon as a humanitarian when his own people are starving.

Hey DG, does it remind you of someone doing the same "trying to show the world how good he is meanwhile destroying his nation and the lives of the people in his own country"?.....

It appears that Chavez has learned well from castro and the "naive westerners are falling in for it"...

I can see Chavez and castro laughing as "the naive westerners think they are the saviors of the world".....

What a bunch of BS.....

Originally posted by Muaddib
It appears that Chavez has learned well from castro and the "naive westerners are falling in for it"...

I don't remember Castro giving Londoners on low income cheap cigars

Originally posted by piacenza

Wow what a funny post. Starving people? Hmmm when was the last time you were in Venezuela? Chavez is helping Cuba a gr8 deal and Cuba is helping Venezuela back (Especially with doctors).
Your post show a total ignorance of a country you probabbly know nothing and of a man you know even less. You probably watch a little CNN here and there and you think you know everything. Ohh man ignorance, ignorance, how can we fight it?

Actually she knows at least a little bit more than you...

She is saying this because, she and I are Cubans or Cuban-
Americans, and we know that castro is Chavez's mentor and best buddy, he has said so several times also, and Chavez has been taking Venezuela down the same road that castro took Cuba....

castro has also gone around the world trying to make himself a savior meanwhile he still starves and makes the people in Cuba suffer...

BTW, i have Cuban family who are doctors and professionals, one of my uncles is working in Venezuela because he was ordered to go there and he gets paid the same crap that he was getting paid in Cuba... he barely gets to visit his family in Cuba. He was able to leave Venezuela to visit his wife and children because his daughter was sick, although the fact that he had an 8 month old son which was born while he was working in Venezuela and he hadn't seen and was not able to see was no excuse to leave, but at least he was able to visit them when his daughter got really sick.

Cuban doctors are not in Venezuela because they want to, they are there because they have to, they are controlled all the time.

Cuban doctors were sent to Venezuela because Chavez lowered the pay of Venezuelan doctors, and now many Venezuelan doctors have no jobs.

Originally posted by infinite

I don't remember Castro giving Londoners on low income cheap cigars

Not specifically to Londoneers but fidel castro has been trying to show the world he is a good man by sending aid to "revolutionary countries" and giving out to other nations trying to get people to belive him to be a savior so people will follow him...Chavez is doing exactly the same thing...

I wonder how much oil Saudi Arabia has given to the poor in countries, which do not like them at all. Or Kuwait. Or Dubai. Or any country in the Middle East, who is swimming in oil, and selling it to the west and then building certain islands in the middle of Persian Gulf. Now I do not know about the Hidden Agenda which Chavez has in this case - but why can't some people just accept this FREE deal as it is? A gift. But of course not - from the paws of evil socialists only poison comes out, right?



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Originally posted by Muaddib
Not specifically to Londoneers but fidel castro has been trying to show the world he is a good man by sending aid to "revolutionary countries" and giving out to other nations trying to get people to belive him to be a savior so people will follow him...Chavez is doing exactly the same thing...

still no cigars
to be fair, I'd be surprised if people in Britain know who Chavez is. Apart from the radical left.

When he came to Britain, only Channel Four and the BBC mentioned it. No one else gave a damn.

It is always the same, why isn't Chavez helping more the people in Cuba?, how much do you think the people in Cuba are enjoying what Chavez pay fidel in oil when there are almost no cars for Cubans in the island?....

Even doctors most often go to work on a bycicle in Cuba. There are very few cars for the regular people in the island but I guess some around the world believe Chavez is doing a favour to "Cubans" by sending thousands of barrels of oil....

Chavez has called for a "global permanent revolution", he wants to export his revolution around the world and this is the way to do it, just like cstro tried ever since he took power in Cuba....



[edit on 23-8-2007 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
Not specifically to Londoneers but fidel castro has been trying to show the world he is a good man by sending aid to "revolutionary countries" and giving out to other nations trying to get people to belive him to be a savior so people will follow him...Chavez is doing exactly the same thing...

still no cigars
to be fair, I'd be surprised if people in Britain know who Chavez is. Apart from the radical left.

When he came to Britain, only Channel Four and the BBC mentioned it. No one else gave a damn.

But I really do not understand the Eskimos. Aren't they cold and would like some free oil, to warm their igloos up? Weird...

Uh....politically incorrect to say the E word, it should be Inooet (sic.) Inuet?

reply to post by Muaddib

Who said he isn't?

You?

Chavez pushes through oil for Cuba

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has said his government is restarting supplies of subsidised oil to Cuba five months after they were suspended during a failed coup against him.

The decision to resume the shipments of 53,000 barrels a day has been particularly controversial in the oil-rich South American nation which is going through an economic crisis.

Castro welcomes Venezuela's Chavez, Cuba's energy lifeline

And with its oil-burning plants, Cuba relies on Venezuelan imports while its own crude, which is high in sulfur, requires costly cleaning to be used.

Venezuela, Latin America's only OPEC member, delivers 53,000 barrels of crude a day to Cuba.

Granma announced that a ceremony would be held at Karl Marx theatre on Tuesday to mark the 10th aniversary of Chavez's first visit to Cuba, before he was president.

Venezuelan students in Cuba will be on hand as will Venezuelan patients being treated in Cuba and members of Cuban pro-government youth and student organizations.

Cuba and Venezuela have close political, trade and social relations as set out in a 2000 cooperation agreement. Aside from the oil deal, Cuba sends doctors, teachers, and sports coaches to Venezuela.

As it looks like, Chavez is not only giving cheap oil to countries in South America - but also to his "Enemies" of United States and United Kingdom. Still I understand, why the capitalist countries do not want cheap or free oil from this guy - they just want HIS OIL IN THE START:

Big Oil and Big Media V. Hugo Chavez

On June 27, the New York Times and Wall Street Journal vied for attention with feature stories on oil giants ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips "walking away from their multi-billion-dollar investments in Venezuela" as the Journal put it or standing "Defiant in Venezuela" as the Times headlined. Both papers can barely contain their displeasure over Hugo Chavez wanting Venezuela to have majority ownership of its own assets and no longer let Big (foreign) Oil investors plunder them. Those days are over. State oil company PDVSA is now majority shareholder with a 78% interest in four Orinoco joint ventures. That's up from previous stakes of from 30 to 49.9%. That's how it should be, but it can't stop the Journal and Times from whining about it.

[edit on 23/8/07 by Souljah]

Originally posted by Souljah
but also to his "Enemies" of United States and United Kingdom. Still I understand, why the capitalist countries do not want cheap or free oil from this guy - they just want HIS OIL IN THE START:

Enemy? He was never declared an enemy of the United Kingdom, the Parliament tabled a motion declaring support and admiration of him (well, the MP's were left wing, but still)

Blair may of said a few negative words about him, but the United Kingdom wants to build and strengthen ties with Venezuela.

www.fco.gov.uk.../Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029394365&a=KCountryProfile&aid=1020687853957

It seems that this is much better then the Nigerians who have vast oil revenue but do not even help their own people. But why is Chavez directing the gestures at USA and England? Is it some gringo inferiority complex? For example, in the cities if Sao Polo and Rio de Janeiro there are millions of people with nothing to eat, never mind heating or subway rides. Okay, heating oil to inner city North Americans is related because its fossil fuels, but subway passes to poor English people? Chavez is looking more and more like Manuel Noriega and something of an Idi Amin. At least his purported role model Castro had some real ideals. BTW the name Castro is derived from families who had their nuts cut off so they could sing falsetto high notes (castrato). How did they pass on their genes and surname without testes?

Originally posted by jaehkimx
But why is Chavez directing the gestures at USA and England?

I hate to be picky, but my country is called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not England. England hasn't existed since 1707.

Originally posted by RedGolem
Does any one else here think that Chavez will be wanting something in return for the free oil or what ever else he decides to give away? That is besides being able to track people with the cards.

Well I doubt Chavez will be able to look at the Oyster database, although it is interesting thought as to weather the operators of the card can sell that information, the police can access it any time they want.

I think what Chavez gets in return is for (red) Ken to set up an office over there and apparently give advice on things like tourism, and probably introducing other money making schemes like our ever popular congestion charging (which is also a very good tool for tracking people in and out of the centre, those cameras and the computer network to go with are real top level kit)

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reply to post by infinite

Then I guess I jumped the conclusions, which point out, that United Kingdom and United States share their the status of their enemies - since Chavez is a big threat to entire free world with his socialist revolution and his cheap oil, he is giving to the poor of the west. But I guess I was wrong - judging only the words of mister Blair.

Originally posted by Souljah
Then I guess I jumped the conclusions, which point out, that United Kingdom and United States share their the status of their enemies - since Chavez is a big threat to entire free world with his socialist revolution and his cheap oil, he is giving to the poor of the west. But I guess I was wrong - judging only the words of mister Blair.

thats okay
everything is good now, our new Prime Minister Gordon Brown doesn't really care what Bush thinks

Originally posted by Souljah

Who said he isn't?

You?

Perhaps you need to re-read what I said...

How are 53,000 barrels of oil a day helping regular Cubans when most regular Cubans do not have cars, or trucks?.....

Those shipments help fidel castro, he probably sells them to other countries and keeps the money for himself....

BTW, farmers in Cuba don't have tractors either... the Cuban government owns whatever tractors there might be left in Cuba.

Oh and here, in case you start claiming I am making it up.

FROM CUBA

Tractors confiscated from independent farmers

Francisco García, Cooperativa Avileña de Periodistas Independientes

CIEGO DE AVILA, Cuba August 12 - Sixteen tractors have recently been confiscated from independent farmers in the municipality of Morón, in eastern Cuba.

These tractors along with approximately 60 that are awaiting "revision of their ownership documentation" are part of the estimated 100 tractors in private hands in Morón.

The general opinion in Morón is that this equipment has been making a tremendous contribution to agricultural production and that the new measure will affect private producers and thousands of consumers who depend on them for basic foodstuffs that the government producers cannot supply.

www.christusrex.org...



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