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UPDATE: Police ADMIT to Use of Agents! - Police accused of using provocateurs at Montebello QC summi

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posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 11:03 AM
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Police accused of using provocateurs at Montebello, Que. summit


www.thestar.com

OTTAWA – Protesters are accusing police of using undercover agents to provoke violent confrontations at the North American leaders' summit in Montebello, Que.

A video, posted on YouTube, shows three young men, their faces masked by bandannas, mingling Monday with protesters in front of a line of police in riot gear. At least one of the masked men is holding a rock in his hand.
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posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 11:03 AM
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Stop SPP Protest - Union Leader stops provocateurs


The article claims that the three provocateurs are police and while lying on the ground photos show that the trio had yellow triangles on the soles of there boots. A police officer kneeling by them also had the same yellow triangle on his boots. Not exactly proof but definitely circumstantial evidence of the three working for or being police. Just to note I did not see these triangles in the video nor have I come across the pictures that are said to have been taken.



The three are confronted by protest organizer Dave Coles, president of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada. Coles makes it clear the masked men are not welcome among his group of protesters, whom he describes as mainly grandparents. He urges them to leave and find their own protest location.

Coles also demands that they put down their rocks. Other protesters begin to chime in that the three are really police agents. Several try to snatch the bandanas from their faces.

Rather than leave, the three actually start edging closer to the police line, where they appear to engage in discussions. They eventually push their way past an officer, whereupon other police shove them to the ground and handcuff them.


www.thestar.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

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posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 11:55 AM
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My Opinion

I dont know anything about this situation.

But what I do know is Police in general are slimy scum who will use any method

no matter how questionable to furthur their goals.

I wouldnt trust a Police Officer with a pet rock.

thats my opinion



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 04:43 PM
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Thanks for the heads-up on this, Sauron. I just got a note off to my (Liberal) MP, demanding that this get sorted out and not just disappear down the memory hole. If this apparent police provocation is as it appears to be, heads should roll. Bless the union brother, Dave Coles, for a clear head and serious cojones.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 06:28 PM
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The CBC has picked up the story as well, here

It`s not all that surprising. I know the practice of putting undercovers at protests became very common in the Harris years in Ontario. I think there was a photobook circulating the the anti-poverty rallies at one point.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 07:01 PM
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Yes, I think the Canadian Neo-cons were caught red-handed here. The question is what will come of it? The police are not releasing any info yet as to the identities of the three men. I saw the pictures of the boots on CTV Newsnet and yes, the boots have an identical yellow triangle on the soles. Reports are that the three were handled "very gently" when they were seemingly arrested, unlike the rough treatment that real protesters receive. The circumstantial evidence is very damning.
Hopefully, this will expose Harper for what he really is, a Bush wannabe.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 07:15 PM
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Cops have been doing this for years in order to break up peaceful protests, I've seen it in action myself.

It's good to see them get caught at it pretty much red-handed, and on video, by a person the mainstream media cannot afford to totally ignore.

I am impressed by that Dave Coles guy, he seems like a pretty gutsy & sincere character.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 07:22 PM
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flagged for sure, we can't let this get buried cuz this needs to be resolved. Although it is possible to buy the same boots that are standard issue with the police, i find it highly unlikely that three protesters would all have a pair.They also just so happend to be the ones to try and start violence and discredit a 'rightful' protest against something that will potentially destroy the constitution of America and all its worth........to sort of explain why im a bit pissed off if this turns out to be true, i used to live in Texas and i have a lot of very close friends over there and i plan to go back to live if i can for a few years. I don't care what anybody says, America is a beautiful country and is full of good people who deserve more than the "&!@#$%&" that is currently in office. It's worth fighting for!


vote ron paul!



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 07:31 PM
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When I read the title I thought "Right, crazy conspiracy theories at it again"

When I watched the video it looked like 3 punk kids at first.. but then they appear to be in their late 20's, fit and incredibly silent..

One man carries a rock.. if he where to have thrown it the crowd would have been forcefully dispersed.. he obviously knew the implications of throwing the rock.

I found nothing off the wall entirely.. until the end.

The guys literally almost WALK past a police line, when they came to start a riot, with a rock in his hand he walks past, never throwing the rock..

He is tackled rather easily, no force used, went INCREDIBLY willingly.. no struggle.. walked casually to the cruiser.. no shouting, no fighting, no "die pigs" remarks of any kind.

IMO what happened was that these 3 men where supposed to cause a disturbance, when they where picked out of the crowd by that elderly gentleman the crowd turned against them, putting them in danger.. so they aborted the mission and crossed the line into safety.

That is what appears anyways, they did not act like protesters at all.

Had that man not confronted them they would have been shot full of rubber bullets and pepper spray.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by TheComte
I saw the pictures of the boots on CTV Newsnet and yes, the boots have an identical yellow triangle on the soles.


Unfortunately, that doesn`t mean much - I`ve had boots with that mark as well. It`s the sole manufacturer. Vibram, I think. Every pair of boots down at Mark`s Work Wearhouse has that mark.

This is the company

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posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 08:12 PM
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I'd like to post a purely honest reaction to this story... but I'm afraid the language that springs to mind would result in an automatic ban.

instead, I will resort to the fine art of understatement and say this makes be a tad angry.

This crap CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.
Whoever is responsible needs to be ferreted out and brought before the people on criminal charges. Treason charges would be appropriate.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 08:49 PM
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Apparently the Quebec police have made 4 arrests in connection to the rally...2 men, 2 women. Doesn't seem to cover our 3 louts, does it?



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Apparently the Quebec police have made 4 arrests in connection to the rally...2 men, 2 women. Doesn't seem to cover our 3 louts, does it?


Hopefully, this is what the press will seize on. It is beyond belief that the police would not arrest protester with a rock attempting to break through a police line. Likewise, the bandannas constitute a disguise. People have been charged with concealing their identity at protests in the past. You can even be dinged for resisting arrest for wearing swim goggles and carrying bottles of water (rendering the pepper spray ineffective, more or less. you still get it in the nose, but at least you can see).



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 09:02 PM
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In the Youtube vid, you can clearly see all 3 of them being loaded into the back of a police truck. If they aren't being arrested at that point, what's going on?

Extraction after a failed op, mayhap?

We need to lean on the press and local members of government to ensure that this doesn't go away.
I'll be contacting my local (NDP) MLA.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by vox2442
You can even be dinged for resisting arrest for wearing swim goggles and carrying bottles of water (rendering the pepper spray ineffective, more or less. you still get it in the nose, but at least you can see).

There's something real g-d wrong with that folks.
I guess you should open your eyes real wide for them at a protest so they can spray your cornea with irritants more effectively. That's sickeningly freaking insane.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 10:10 PM
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I ask every Canadian on this board to look for your Member of Parliament and email them to ask to look into this. I have been to protests and that isn't how police deal with protesters that are holding rocks and trying to break through police lines. The guy in this video outting the cops,Dave Cole, is head of the CEP which is a Energy and Resource Union that has approx. 150,000 members. Hopefully with his position, the MSM won't be able to just make this go away.

Here's the picture gallery...www.ottawasun.com... from the Ottawa Sun. It clearly shows the boots and they appear to have the the same sole pattern as well. And you never know, they may have been more of them that Didn't get caught.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by GAOTU789

Here's the picture gallery...www.ottawasun.com... from the Ottawa Sun. It clearly shows the boots and they appear to have the the same sole pattern as well. And you never know, they may have been more of them that Didn't get caught.


As I posted above, the boots have Vibram soles - which is extremely common. Vibram is one of the largest sole manufacturers in the world. The yellow mark is their symbol. Probably 80% of all the workboots, hiking boots and army/police boots in Canada, regardless of manufacturer, have that mark.

In other words: the yellow mark is a red herring. If you focus the argument around that, it will be INCREDIBLY easy for this whole thing to be blown off.

The police department would simply need to call a press conference, show off the Sears catalogue and a selection of boots with the same mark, and everyone has a good laugh about it, and then it`s swept under the rug.

By all means, go after this to your MP. You should, because this is a bloody outrage. But don`t give the police such an easy way out in the process.

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posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 10:41 PM
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Watched this several times trying to figure out where the OP could be wrong. Couldn't find any. One of the last things I did before I got out of the National Guard was some riot control training for the G-8 summit on Sea Island, GA in '04. We did the training at the State Police Academy in Forsyth, GA. At this training there were probably 300-400 people there as fake protesters. I don't know where they came from, but by there appearence most of them could have easily fit in at any Rainbow Gathering or any other hippy gathering. I think there was some type of consulting company that provided the protesters and they mixed plain clothes/undercovers in with them. I was out of the guard before the actual summit but the training was a informative experience.

Like I said I was trying to find where the OP could be wrong. I think the OP is dead on heres why.

The matching boots, by itself not a dead giveaway could be that combat boots work as well for anarchists as they do cops, but that's not all.

Notice how the guy with the 15 jersey is in the corner while the other two put some space between him and the real protesters. If you look closely you can see him lift his shades and lower his mask while the others get him some space. He's also leaning over in a way like he's actually having a conversation.He's got a good 45sec-1min to talk and make a decision on whether to extract.

There seems to be some paint markings on two of them. One has a greenish color on his left shoulder under his pack. The other has yellow/greenish paint on his boots.

The one they do get unmasked is way more cleancut than i'd imagine someone starting crap for the sake of starting crap would be. That haircut looks "govt issue to me".

It does look like both the provocatuers and the police put up a "show fight" looks more like training than the real thing. You'd think someone ready to throw a rock at the police less than 3 minutes before would have a little more spunk.

The lack of coresponding arrests is what clinches it. Even if they were just running from the mob, you'd think they'd still arrest the one with the rock in his hand. He still had it when going through the line.

With just one or two of these things going on I'd probably give the benefit of the doubt. Too much going on here for that though.

Great find OP, this is one of the realest things I've seen on here in a while. I hope it isn't lost in CT land and actually gets some coverage somewhere


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posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 11:01 PM
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policemen trying to start a riot at a peaceful protest?


ugh, how disgusting.....its a sad day when our law enforcement can no longer be trusted.. whats going on?



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 11:20 PM
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I'll give you that Vabrim make a lot of soles for boots. I looked at the pictures a littler closer and the two cops boots and the three protesters sole's are exactly the same. I think that may be too much of a coincidence. But that aside there are other signs.

How quiet they are is another. They are clearly uncomfortable with be singled out but don't say anything in their own defence. The other protester saying that they were trying to provoke them to be aggressive. Thier reaction to getting arrested. The one fellow has markings on his boots, while another appears to have some on his backpack. Also start watching closely at 2 minutes into the video. The guy against the wall appears to be talking to the riot police for about 15-20 seconds. Then the arrest happens.

This is clearly a violation of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Even if it is an old police tactic, they may have been caught red handed.


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