Originally posted by Night Watchman
The discussion of the need for an independent investigation raises what I believe to be the core issue of this and all other topics that seem to draw
Most definitely! I agree with you, there needs to be an independent investigation because the last one was anything but that.
In my opinion, when there is a cataclysmic event such as 9/11 or the JFK Assassination the govt seems to feel it essential to arrive at an
official finding and then goes about building the case in support of that..
With all due respect, 9/11 is in a class all it's own. I honestly don't think we can compare it to anything else that's ever happened in the
history of the US. To compare 9/11 to the JFK Assassination is like comparing apples with coconuts -- big difference between the two and I'm shocked
that you would even suggest that we make such comparisons. But if any comparisons should be made, that would be between 9/11 and Pearl Harbor. Odd
that Tora Bora is a familiar name related to both of those events...
Also, the fact that Bush waited 140 days before he finally agreed to any investigation at all on 9/11 automatically raises red flags -- what are they
hiding?? You look at any other so-called cataclysmic event over our nations history and you will see the implementation of a formal investigation
almost immediately after they occurred. This was not the case with 9/11.
So you are saying that regardless that their official findings are correct or not, solong as they can support whatever those findings are - this makes
it right? Well maybe the gov't got away with doing it like that in the past but once again we bring up the internet where millions of citizens now
have information at their fingertips. We live in an entirely different world now because of this but it's clear that this administration is waaaaay
out of step with the general public because they seem to have totally overlooked all of this where as a result of this, they are underestimating how
informed the general public really is now. But that's good for us and I hope they continue in their ignorance of this as it's allowing us a glimpse
of what's been going on all these years now but didn't know about due to lack of information. (sorry for the run on sentences... )
This has lead, in both events I listed, to inconsistencies and also gaping holes in the "official" stories. Which of course causes people to
question the finding and ultimately becomes a cottage industry for those more interested in gaining prominence or money. Soon the honest, sincere
quest for truth is hijacked by charlatans who rightly view those seeking truth as prime targets for anything that seems to disprove the official
One of the other things about those who surf the internet is that most of us know that we must use discernment in any information we see on it. And
certainly, when it comes to 9/11, most of those who are searching for answers to questions about it are not going to go to conspiracy websites because
most people do not take such sites seriously. But in the case of 9/11, concerning the information that's filling those information gaps, alternative
viewpoints and not 'conspiracy theory' per se. Most educated and informed information seekers have opted for the middle road. We are not veering off
into La, la land. We are dealing with an administration that does not believe in science. Those of us who want answers to what happen on 9/11 are more
interested in the scientific approach to what happened that day and not fiction. The 9/11 Commission Report totally ignored this fact and hence,
underestimated the intelligence of the general public... something this administration has been doing since the first day they came into office. Those
scientists involved in the 9/11 are university prof's who have lost their jobs or come close to it, because of their support of the Unofficial 9/11
version of what happened that day... no crazy loons here... they are reputable and highly esteemed scientists...
This does not mean that, in either case, the govt was involved in allowing or even perpetrating the crime. It simply means that covering it's
ass and avoiding panic on the part of the public is much more important to the govt than telling us or even learning, the truth.
Very Good! I'll give you a B+ on that one (but pts. taken off on the first sentence)
In the case of 9/11, we now know that the govt knew that AQ was going to attack the US. The use of planes as weapons was identified as one
possible method of choice. The Bush Administration's ineptitude and ideology caused them to underestimate the importance of such intelligence. In
hindsight that seems impossible to believe but remember that there are different threats identified from the intelligence agencies each day. I would
guess that we could find hundreds of threats that never materialized. This one did.
Right, this is part of the 'Official' story. It sounds pretty good doesn't it? Afterall, we are all human beings and hence... we are all flawed.
Everybody makes a mistake once in a while so in an attempt to drum up public empathy and sympathy they gave this spin to their 9/11 story but only
because they knew the public would forgive them -- at least in time... but it's hogwash.
So, once the attacks happened, two things became critical to the administration. One, they needed to appear to be on top of the investigation
and had ID'd the perps beyond a reasonable doubt. Remember the trauma in the aftermath? Now imagine what would have happened had we thought that
the govt had no idea who was responsible and that they could strike again the very next day!
Lol... you must be from Kansas -- how's Todo btw?? You apparently are not even up to date on information about those hijackers -- information that
began coming in to mainstream news even as to who they were and so on... many were somehow simultaneously on those planes and also living happily in
Europe or the Middle East AT THE SAME TIME ON 9/11. Lol, go figure! There's a whole lot of information on those men who were identified in that
hijacker list but would suggest you check out Time magazine and other mainstream publications for starters. We are talking about things like stolen
identities also... a lot of information here but I can't do that research for you.... you need to do that yourself in order for you to formulate your
own opinions on this.
Secondly, they needed a response against the perps to make us feel that the country was going to punish them and make another attack so risky
that it would not likely occur. So, they needed the ID of the perp so that they could launch a military strike as soon as possible.
uh huh... so they drew out a bunch of names from a hat and called them the perps... granted that a few of them were but most were not. But of course,
it's well documented that some kind of false flag event was cooking on the back stove somewhere just to give these guys and excuse to get Iraq's oil
and build their pipelines.... in this regard 9/11 was not such a bad thing for them afterall... it will take us many many years to know just how much
money this administration has pocketed from what happened on 9/11. They certainly did not go out of their way to get Norad to scramble those airliners
did they? Even the Sec. of Transportation witnessed Cheney holding off on intercepting that airliner that was heading toward the Pentagon! If you
don't believe me, ask him!
Given the intelligence in our possession prior to the attacks as well as information gathered immediately following, it could very well have
been clear that AQ was responsible. You see, the rush to judgement does not preclude that we were 99% certain who committed the crime.
Now we're getting into some deep water here and I'm still on the fence about if AQ are the culpable ones in 9/11. I've always thought they were but
at this point it does not matter... at least for now until we get more information.
All I want is an independent investigation of 9/11 for them to confirm scientists reports that explosives were used to bring down those buildings. For
me it's one step at a time. We can't really move forward until we have those confirmations. Until then it's their word against the 9/11 Commission
Report which so far has been ruled fatally flawed.
The problem with this approach is that, since the official explanation is based on, at best, a surface investigation, there will naturally be
holes in it. This leads to the conspiracy theories and the, in my opinion, baseless claims that the govt was involved in the actual crime.
You just said that the gov't will go the easiest and fastest route to come up with their official findings just to appease the public to make them
look like they're doing what they are supposed to be doing and that those findings will support a view with the least repercussions so as not to
cause public hysteria. So is it any wonder why the public would do their own independent investigations due to the absurdities in the Official version
of 9/11? And you call those hypotheses conspiracy theories? when in fact, it's the Official 9/11 story that's the biggest conspiracy of them all!!
I'm sorry but you are in wonderland and you need to follow Mr. Rabbit out of the rabbit hole and back to reality to do some real honest to God
research on what really happened that day and report back here and let us know if you learned anything!
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