reply to post by xpert11
The legacy of the Vietnam war is a war that was lost by incompetent civilian and military leaders. Many Americans most of who come from the right of
the political spectrum don't understand the nature of counter insurgency warfare. Counter insurgency warfare is about who controls the territory and
who has access to the local population. Such wars are fought with a daily grind over a period of years before they are won. Vast amounts of resources
. manpower and time are often needed to win an counter insurgency war.
My friends, I grew up in an insurgency counter-insurgency world. I can recall the Dutch fighting in Indonesia. The British fighting in Borneo, in
Rhodesia - now Zimbabwe - and in Kenya. I recall the Belgians fighting in Congo. The French fighting in Algeria after they had fought and lost in
Vietnam. I recall when the Greeks were fighting each other. I remember with sadness the Hungarian Revolt of 1956. Hey, I had just been Honorably
Discharged after 4 years in the US Air Force when it happened. I remember the Chinese Communist versus Nationalists War. 1949. I was in Korea in
1953. All of this to let you know that I believe I know smelting about insurgency and counter insurgency wars.
I cannot recall an instance (insurgency) when I did not support the cause of the underdogs. The native peoples yearning to be free. Hey, that's what
I thought America was all about? See Foot Note.
I’ve watched as the British left Singapore, the Dutch left Jakarta, the French left Saigon
and Hanoi, and for the fist time in 300 years, 250 million East Asian people were FREE of foreign domination.
The instances I mentioned were examples of nationalism triumphing over colonialism. That is the simple reason America was beaten in Vietnam. We were
taking the place of France. It was not Jane Fonda. It was not tying the hands of the military. It was because 99.44% of Vietnamese wanted foreigners
OUT of Vietnam. And I think there is a similarity in Iraq. Mr al Maliki showed that last week when he told Americans to SHUT UP. He said he could
find friends ELSEWHERE. Maybe in the mountains of northwest Pakistan? Hmm?
Did the insurgencies turn out the way we would have scripted it? No. But it did turn out. In all too many insurgencies the foreign devils were
replaced with home grown devils. That was a totally predictable consequence of colonialism. In some instances, I’m thinking especially of the
Belgians, the departing colonialists purposely destroyed the paperwork on which modern societies are based. The Congo. And Congo is still suffering.
The West has a very high level of tolerance for human rights abuse by African leaders. I’m thinking of the likes of Edi Amin in Uganda.
Now we are witnessing the last of the great insurgencies. The Middle East is about to turn out the foreign devils. It may - and most likely will -
replace those with home grown devils. To name the devils is why we are suffering dead GIs every day and why we are spending $12 b. a month of money we
will not tax ourselves to pay. We want to script the outcome!
With the bunglers we now have in the WH, that is very unlikely. We can look
forward only to more DEAD GIs and countless more billions flushed down Halliburton’s toilet. But I have warned you, that is what you get when you
vote Republican. It’s like night follows day.
History of ME in 200 words.
In the 1890s, as warships were converting from coal to oil, the Germans built a Berlin to Baghdad railroad to
compete with the French Paris to Istanbul railroad. Agatha Christie made that one famous with murder on the Orient Express. By 1914, the Germans were
in deep consultation with Persia to run an extension from Baghdad to Teheran. The 1914-1918 war delayed that. The Germans and their late coming ally,
the Ottomans (now Turkey) lost the war and the German interests became the British interests as a prize of war. The Ottoman’s territory was divided
between the UK and France. France took the prize of the Mediterranean, Beirut, along with Syria which goes with Beirut since time immoral, and the
Brits got the rest. Which included Palestine, Jordan, Iraq and Kuwait.
Now we hear the same litany, STAY the course, defeat the insurgents from Bush43. The very same words Richard Nixon and his flunky Henry Kissinger used
as they prolonged the Vietnam War more than 5 years, killing 22,000 American soldiers to save Nixon’s image. Legacy. Iraq is a re-run for Bush43 and
his image. Lelgacy. Everyone concedes Iraq is a lost cause. We are now arguing how to get out with some national face remining. How many more will die
in Iraq? I do not want to trade death for face.
Today, no one will tell us just what THE COURSE really means. No one in power will tell us and the sycophants who pose as journalists don't know or
don't care. I will tell you. It means a subservient Iraq government that will allow foreign capitalists to exploit the country's natural resources
and its people. This usually means the lackeys we install in power will get a small share of the wealth that is expropriated by the foreigners. Hush
money. In Iraq’s case, the exploiters will be the likes of ExxonMobil and British Petroleum. BP. Royal Dutch Shell. Etc. One hand washes the other.
With Halliburton now removed to the UAE as the overseer under the control of US interests.
Realizing that a world war was inevitable, and that the US would necessarily be involved, President Franklin D. Roosevelt famously
articulated the goals of the United States in his State of the Union Address delivered to Congress on January 6, 1941. He recited our national
purpose in the now famous “Four Freedoms” speech which is abbreviated here:
1. Freedom of speech and expression
2. Freedom of every person to worship in his own way
3. Freedom from want
4. Freedom from fear
Although lots of other patriotic speeches were made by dozens of leaders, this speech remains a monument to brevity and clarity and is filled with
timeless content, much like Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address.
The concept was endorsed later in the year at the mid-Atlantic meeting of FDR and Winston Churchill and finally, it furnished a guide post to the
framers of the United Nations Charter. These briefly expressed ideals remain as worthy goals for any nation.
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