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Bush to use Vietnam War as a reason NOT to pull out of Iraq

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posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 12:36 AM
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cnn.com..

As he awaits a crucial progress report on Iraq, President Bush will try to put a twist on comparisons of the war to Vietnam by invoking the historical lessons of that conflict to argue against pulling out.

On Wednesday in Kansas City, Missouri, Bush will tell members of the Veterans of Foreign Wars that "then, as now, people argued that the real problem was America's presence and that if we would just withdraw, the killing would end," according to speech excerpts released Tuesday by the White House.

"Whatever your position in that debate, one unmistakable legacy of Vietnam is that the price of America's withdrawal was paid by millions of innocent citizens, whose agonies would add to our vocabulary new terms like 'boat people,' 're-education camps' and 'killing fields,' " the president will say.

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Why can't he just face up to the fact that this "war on terror" has not worked, and the invasion of Iraq has been an almost complete failure. Instead, he's still trying to convince the world that he's doing the right thing... now using Vietnam as a reference.




posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 06:32 AM
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Why cant you face up to the fact that retreating from the war wont end it? Why do you think the democrats haven't ended the war? Because you cant end a war the other guy still wants to fight. You're living in a fantasy land.

[edit on 22-8-2007 by Dronetek]



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 08:39 PM
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Actually drone, I think it's YOU that's living in a fantasy land. What part of Vietnam was a success? What happened after we pulled out of Vietnam? Of course anyone with half a pea brain knows that you can't compare Iraq with Vietnam ESPECIALLY considering that pulling out of Iraq will have totally different consequences. It really goes back to whether we should have ever invaded Iraq like we did in the first place. I can't believe that Bush is even trying to compare 'anything' to Vietnam since it was a total and miserable failure, and if it wasn't, please explain to us in great detail how that is possible. We are not going to win this war on 'terror' no matter how much world domineering 'democracy injection' we throw around. The 'other' guy has been wanting to fight WAY before this little war on "terror" kicked in. Furthermore, this Babylonian pre-emptive attack doctrine is evil and all the idiots, especially certain pastors of large churches, better get their heads out of their rear ends. If Mutual Assured Destruction doesn't deter large scale terrorism what makes anyone think that the babylonian ideal of dominating the world militarily is going to stop it? You also better consider certain powerful people in high places that are capitalizing on terrorism.. Yep, that's right, these globalist new world order scum bags, otherwise known as "the great merchants and men of the earth" in Revelations are FAR worse than terrorism and are waiting in the wings as we speak to fill the power vacuum after the current power structure falls after a "trigger". (These great men are manipulating world affairs and 'deceiving all nations' as we speak.. Christian clergy, you better wake up!) Get this straight: America is going down a road to judgement by the Almighty Himself. don't be fooled people. The only thing that will save this nation is a sweeping nationwide revival towards the God of Isaac, Abraham and Jacob. Also, like Jesus said in the desert to satan: "For it is written". If we are indeed near the time of God's appointed final hour of man's probation then their is not much we can do because the end has indeed already been written. Does this mean we just roll over and not fight evil? of course not but pre-emptively attacking other nations before we have just cause is evil and is a path of judgement. Do you want to be a tool of judgement? You go right ahead but I'll pass, thank you very much.



[edit on 22-8-2007 by ViewFromTheStars]



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 08:42 PM
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If Bush is speaking, he is lying.

If he points to Vietnam, then we should be looking at Iran and the expansion of his war plans and a further grabbing of more power for the Executive Branch of the US government.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 09:26 PM
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A war is always fought for a purpose.

The Vietnam War was fought for an ideal, preserving Democracy against Communism in another Asian country in the prime-time of the Cold War (btw, which was supposedly a war nobody could win). With all due respect Vietnam was just another battlefield within a more global war, BUT NO HIDDEN AGENDAS (or too many lies). America was defeated and failed miserably in this Battle. The Vietnamese communists won, many holding another belief or ideal did suffer in the short-term, but was it that bad for the whole country civilians who only cared about peace and having a simple life for the longer term? Facts are in the long-term Vietnam developed themselves nicely, the pace is increasing following the China concept, all for the better.

The Iraq War is being fought for SUPPOSED DEFENSE and ENERGY CONTROL.

Americans did a pre-emptive strike a Nation/Region which is now proven they WRONGLY accused the country of having WMD. Either the government making the call to go into War for this WMD threat reason ALREADY KNEW OR NOT if there were WMD is for another time, I just want to say they MOST LIKELY KNEW there weren't any. So IF that is the case, THEN it would mean only the latter of ENERGY CONTROL is the only reason for the Iraq War.
Americans are Occupying the country for her Oil resources, anyone else believing something else is so out of this world. So this reasons itself gives America enough reasons to stay in Iraq, NO MATTER how many extra life losses. The Monetary costs apparently do not wage up the Gains in controlling these oil fields. This energy control is creepily covered in the very convenient excuse of Terrorism. So simply count on that as long as this Enrgy Control is still needed America will not pull back, no matter who will become the next president.

I just want to say it is just amazing he did dare to use Vietnam as a comparison where America did fought for an acceptable purpose...

Actually whatever president Bush is telling the public, I would advise anyone to discount it very much and do your own due diligence before believing a word he is saying, or making up an opinion.






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posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 10:14 PM
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dont many consider vietnam the only war america lost ?

in that respect, yes iraq is like vietnam. Good one bush, your retardation astounds me.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 10:23 PM
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If indeed it is a "war" there is but one way to "win". You win a war by eliminating your enemy until it utterly gives up. So we could win in Iraq in a matter of 2 days. B-52's round the clock, every building above ground goes. Every Iraqi civilian killed. We win.

If you are not fighting a war against a certain nation, or group of people, you are doomed to failure. You can't kill an idea, because ideas are bulletproof. Wars against Ideas and or philosophy will not work, and historically never have. The war on drugs=failure, the war on communism(vietnam)=failure,the war on terror (failure).

The war on the people of Japan (success). The war on the people of Germany (success).
How did we win? BOMBING!!! Destroying the enemy.

We are pissing into the wind in Iraq. Our troops are hog tied with R O E that can only get our boys killed. We need to leave the middle east as soon as possible because we can't win with these tactics. PERIOD!

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[edit on 22-8-2007 by downtown436]



posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by downtown436
If you are not fighting a war against a certain nation, or group of people, you are doomed to failure. You can't kill an idea, because ideas are bulletproof. Wars against Ideas and or philosophy will not work, and historically never have. The war on drugs=failure, the war on communism(vietnam)=failure,the war on terror (failure).

The war on the people of Japan (success). The war on the people of Germany (success).
How did we win? BOMBING!!! Destroying the enemy.


Very nice points downtown436, it's true that you can't just bomb "terror", as obviously terror is made up of thousands of different people all over the world... and I don't think a mass bombing of the world would be too welcomed :p



posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 06:27 AM
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I agree whole heartedly with Downtown... wars against ideas never work... they always spring back up and bite you in the ass.

The war in Vietnam and the war in Iraq are identical in two ways... we were/are meddling in the affairs of a soverign nation and we were/are trying to supress a population that did/does not want us there. A sure loser every time.



posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 08:01 PM
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downtown436, awesome points. You guys are so correct when you say you can't bomb ideas. Ideas lie in the hearts of men and that's God's territory because only He has the kind of control over men hearts and I wish more people, especially certain pastors would get this through their thick skulls. We can only win a war to a point and after that there is nothing we can do. We are not going to be able to bomb the 'religion' out of Islam. Pre-emptively attacking sovereign nations just because we 'think' they are about to nuke someone and militarily dominating regions of the world is nothing more than a babylonian push towards the one world government mentioned in Revelations that has power for a short time.. if you support any part of this 'push' you are going to have special accountability with the Creator Himself....count on it. You DON"T want to be a player in the judgment purpose of God. Now don't get me wrong.. World War II for example, I feel we waited WAY too long to get involved but at least we had righteous justification. The biggest worry I have today is for the state of Israel. I am 100% all for supporting and protecting Israel but pre-emptively attacking nations with nukes that are hostile to her because we think they are about to nuke her? I'm having a hard time getting on board with that.
I know this may not be the best analogy but It will illustrate the point I'm trying to make and what I'm trying to understand: Imagine a woman married to an abusive husband, (Israel 'married' to the middle east). For years and years this abusive husband beat and terrorized this woman to the point that she became delirious and killed her husband stating that is she didn't he would have killed her first. Is what she did evil? If not at what point did it become justified?

Makes this verse pop into my head:

Ro 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

Or more English:

Let us not do evil so that good may come (a statement which we are falsely said by some to have made), because such behaviour will have its right punishment.

Doing a little evil for a greater 'good'...This describes the very evil heart and 'nature' of the CIA and NOW the heart of our nation. Oh what a future we have. A 'little' evil ALWAYS leads to BIGGER evil. Always.





[edit on 23-8-2007 by ViewFromTheStars]



posted on Aug, 23 2007 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by Dronetek
Why cant you face up to the fact that retreating from the war wont end it? Why do you think the democrats haven't ended the war? Because you cant end a war the other guy still wants to fight. You're living in a fantasy land.

[edit on 22-8-2007 by Dronetek]


I see the other guy wanting to fight, because we still occupy his land.
Arab terrorists were around before Iraq, and they will be here after iraq.
The US did nothing but throw a major rock at a large hornets nest that was relativley quiet.
You will not END terrorism by staying in Iraq, you will simply fuel it.

Its lose lose either way, atleast if you retreat you can start FIXING the damage you caused.
but the thing is, its only lose lose for the people, US Governmental-contractors aka - corporations are making too much money.
For them, its Win / LOSE!



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