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Originally posted by sy.gunson
The Bible suggests that Adam and eve lived only a little over 4,000 years ago.
Originally posted by malcr
I'm curious and nobody has yet provided an answer to a couple of questions, maybe you, as someone who believes in god can :
1. Who was the second woman?
Originally posted by malcr
2. Who were her parents or was she created like Eve?
Originally posted by donwhite
reply to post by Odessy
It was true that until the 18th century - Age of Enlightenment - almost all Westerners believed the Holy Bible was divinely inspired and every word was literal and true etc. Not very many people believe that today. The animals you refer to are the behemoth and Leviathan. It is more likely the behemoth was an elephant and the leviathan was a hippopotamus. Even GOD did not know about dinosaurs!
1. Isaiah 27:1: "In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea."
2. Psalms 74:14: "Thou didst crush the heads of the Leviathan, thou didst give him for food to the creatures of the desert." NIV
3. Psalms 104:25,26: "O Lord, how manifold thy works, in wisdom you have created them all. So is this great and wide sea... there go the ships and the Leviathan which you have created to play therein" (AV);
4. Book of Job 3:8 "May those who curse days curse that day, those who are ready to rouse Leviathan ";NIV
5. Book of Job 40: 24-32, 41:1-24: "Can you draw out a Leviathan with a hook or press down its tongue with a cord? Canst thou put a hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a bridle ring? Will he make many supplications to thee? Will he speak soft words to thee? Will he make a covenant with thee? To take him for thy servant forever? Will thou play with him as with a bird? Or wilt thou bind him for thy girls? Will the tradesmen heap up payment for him?... Lay thy hand upon him, thou will no more think of fighting. Behold the hope of him is in vain, shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him? None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?...Who can open the doors of his face? His teeth are terrible round about. His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal. One is near to the another, that no air can come between them. They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered. By his [sneezing] a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of morning. Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth....His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone....He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble....He maketh the deep to boil like a pot....he is a king over all the children of pride."
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by sy.gunson
The Bible suggests that Adam and eve lived only a little over 4,000 years ago.
No it doesn't. I've seen the assumptions made on that math and one has to have huge leaps in 'faith' to even consider those numbers.
[edit on 22-8-2007 by saint4God]
Originally posted by Odessybut on another note... how can a footprint last two million years? i mean.. man isnt dinasour, we dont create a ton of force on the earth on inpact.
Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel
why has this degraded into a religous discussion ...STAY On TOPIC
or go to the religous forums . jeez and u call yourselves enlightened.
If you would like to comment on the footprint or even the religous reprecussion if its a modern human footprint . but why are we talking about hippos in the bible ..insanity!!
Originally posted by Byrd
So... a mark/footprint is made and something happens (ash fall or sediment of a different texture settling in large quantities) that covers the print. Millions of years later, the mud has hardened to roci... and there's your fossil mark.
I find it funny that you bitch and moan about somthing that happens on here so often. This is a place to discuss views of all kinds. It may not be your belief system, and thats fine, but do get over yourself.
no Im pretty sure getting off topic is common around these parts Mr. Squirrel. Dont like the tune then change the channel.
(visit the link for the full news article)
Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel
"This could go back about two million years," said Zahi Hawass, the secretary general of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities.
Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel
its not me thats on the wrong channel. go tune into religous FM
you are not debating different issues relating to this thread you are rehashing your own views time and time again.
People like you that stamp the views on every thread that might be vaguely linked to something you would like to shout to the world over and over are the reason sensible discussions end abruptly, and people are reluctant to get involved any further .
Of course your views are as valid as anyone elses but i still fail to see how discussing a mythical creature with loose ties to the bible and equating it with the footprint the news article is about, has any relevance at all .. if u can link the two i would love to see it.
if you are just spewing random beliefs please do it in the correct forum and Stay on Topic how difficult is that to comprehend , if you would like the views to be adressed in there enirity then go make your OWN thread in the correct area.
So, as to not further derail the thread
So, this tells me that you are just in as much wrong as I am
Originally posted by West Coast
Well Mr. Byrd. What would be the explanation/excuse for a hammer found in sediment dated to be 300,000,000 years old?
The stone is real, and it looks impressive to someone unfamiliar with geological processes. How could a modern artifact be stuck in Ordovician rock? The answer is that the concretion itself is not Ordovician. Minerals in solution can harden around an intrusive object dropped in a crack or simply left on the ground if the source rock (in this case, reportedly Ordovician) is chemically soluble (Cole, 1985).
Originally posted by Vanitas
Zahi Hawass said that...?!
Anyone who knows him probably understands my amazement.
Those who don't: the man is, like, the epitome of hard-core conventional science (or "science", whichever you prefer).