Originally posted by jfj123
Cause the gubment don't lie??

The government lies to you on a daily basis. Why not about 9/11?

Because frankly, they're not smart enough to pull it off.

And don't get me wrong, I don't really believe the whole they tried to take the jet down and the last second thing. I guess my point is that if you are motivated enough, you can twist facts around to suit your needs.

Originally posted by jfj123
Because frankly, they're not smart enough to pull it off.

Really now. The greatest most filthy rich superpower is not smart enough huh? YEAH RIGHT.

You are trying to say 19 hijackers are?

Originally posted by jfj123
And don't get me wrong, I don't really believe the whole they tried to take the jet down and the last second thing. I guess my point is that if you are motivated enough, you can twist facts around to suit your needs.

So now you admit to twisting facts around huh. As far as I am concerned 11 11 has not twisted ANY facts around this entire topic and everything he says can be verified completely. The only problem is that people are to lazy to verify what he says so they stay blind. While the people who actually research everything he says can see the truth.

You all have the same problem, you try to debunk the person, and not the facts they bring forward.

So far no body has been able to prove anything 11 11 has said, wrong.

ICF's, laser speckle reflections, all of that is 100% truthful information.

The facts from 11 11 are not from a single person, it is from an entire group of very intelligent entities.

Prove the ICF explanation wrong, I dare you, no body has yet.

[edit on 16-9-2007 by elbappotsnu]

Originally posted by elbappotsnu
On top of that, fighter jets lock onto heat sources, like the exhaust of a jet engine. There is no such thing as "laser guided air-to-air".

I would leave the try again for you, but I think it will be a waste of user names.

What you have there, is a heat seeking idea. You can use radar too, which shows you don't know much about it. Plus they used to need the exhaust, but modern heat seeking missiles don't need to be behind them.

Originally posted by jfj123
So since the laser only needs to be on the spot during the last few seconds, what guides it prior to that?

I already told you. The direction of the launch.

Nope, that's not an answer.

what guided the jet for takeoff?
what guided the jet until the laser targeting took over?

This was a 767 jet, so they didn't drop it out of a plane. It had to take off from a runway then it had to navigate somehow until it got close to the target. You don't just put a brick on the gas pedal and put a rope on the steering wheel.

Really now. The greatest most filthy rich superpower is not smart enough huh? YEAH RIGHT.

You are trying to say 19 hijackers are?

YES. One makes the other possible. Our government thought it could never happen so they never prepared for the possibility.

Keep in mind it has happened before. As example The Oklahoma City Bombing.

A determined suicidal terrorist can do alot of damage and it's very difficult to stop that.

Another example is during WW II, the japanese used kamikaze pilots. US ships had to shoot them down because the japanese pilots were not coming around for another run, they were slamming their planes right into our ships.

So now you admit to twisting facts around huh. As far as I am concerned 11 11 has not twisted ANY facts around this entire topic and everything he says can be verified completely. The only problem is that people are to lazy to verify what he says so they stay blind. While the people who actually research everything he says can see the truth.

Of course he has twisted facts around.
And yes, this one single time, I gave you an example of how 11 11 twists facts by using his formula.

Let me give you an example. The whole 12 ft. tall illusionary laser dot.
He did show that lasers can disperse over distance. The problem is how it pertains to this particular discussion. The increase in size over a short distance from origin to target would show an increase of approximately 144 times in the laser. Thats a HUGE dispersion over a short distance. Does that indicate a military targeting laser to you? Do all military targeting lasers show illusions on targets? Look at a bunch of videos. You'll see minimal size changes in all of them. You won't see an increase in size by approx 144 times.
Now he is going to say it's just an illusion that THE CAMERA SEE'S. OK so the camera on the plane that SEE'S the same illusion, is going to have a problem with accuracy when trying to lock on to a 12 ft. diameter, fuzzy, moving object. Does that make sense?

Now I gave an additional reason why this illusion is not accurate. We can fire a laser at the moon and bounce it off a reflector left on the moon from the apollo missoins. This gives us a accurate distance from earth to the moon within a few centimeters. Now the distance from earth to the moon is a greater distance then from wherever the supposed laser was located in relation to the WTC. So based on that, there should be a massive dot hitting the moon instead of a small beam. This would be due to dispersion. But of course we don't see a illusionary laser dot MILES ACROSS on the moon through our cameras.
The point I am trying to make is, within the confines of this discussion, 11 11 (iwatchyou) cannot account for the size increase from a MILITARY GRADE TARGETING LASER, from source to target. A military targeting laser is not the same as a handheld green laser.

He has never answered this fully. He has shown a blurry video of a 150 milli watt handheld green laser which is not comparable to, according to him, a fixed mounted laser on a aircraft. Remember, a laser isn't like a flashlight or floodlight that shines out in a drastic cone shape. In one of my posts, I even mention that the light is almost parallel. Almost parallel means that dispersion is going to minimal over distance with a high output laser.

OK this is one example. There are many more.

elbappotsnu, iwatchyou, 11 11 wrote,

So far no body has been able to prove anything 11 11 has said, wrong.

Here's the problem. Your definitions may be correct but the way you are applying them to the discussion isn't.

ICF's, laser speckle reflections, all of that is 100% truthful information.

Yes, but the way you are applying it isn't. Parroting information isn't the same as understanding it.

The facts from 11 11 are not from a single person, it is from an entire group of very intelligent entities.

I understand that through proper medication, the entities can be controlled and they can live a happy, productive life

Prove the ICF explanation wrong, I dare you, no body has yet.

Prove it's right. I double dare you to infinity

You still can't even prove that camera is digital or analog and when ICF's wer e put into cameras. This is based on YOUR response, not mine.

JFJ123,

That ANIMATION has been debunked and is wrong on multiple levels. That is NOT a simulation. The fact that you use this to base your belief system is 100% proof that you have no mind of your own.
Here is a complete debunk of that ANIMATION, including sources.
stj911.org...
JFJ123, this entire thread you have followed these guidelines perfectly:
freeweb.com...
Is this your Bible? You know, there is an entire group of people that know how to spot you people out right?
This thread got quiet, I guess you people finally found out what an ICF is, and that they are in all normal cameras.

Welcome back 11 11
Exactly how many times have you been banned now??? Is it 3 or 4?

Well I could respond to your comments but I see no point. You are obviously hanging on to an argument you simply cannot support except with conjecture .

Have a nice day.

Has anyone else found any new information regarding our mysterious orb or the equally mysterious camera person?

Thanks.