THe thing about having faith makes you blind,
Science will always test things (A lot of people use the phrase disprove)
the thing is god is never up to the test.

how do u test evolution then??????????? it cant be tested. there are 5 types, but the type i am curious how u would test is macro evoltion. micro-evoltuion has been observed, but macro has not. you cant create new speices. there can be variations amoung species. but where is teh proof for evolution? simple...there is none..

how do u test evolution then??????????? it cant be tested. there are 5 types, but the type i am curious how u would test is macro evoltion. micro-evoltuion has been observed, but macro has not. you cant create new speices. there can be variations amoung species. but where is the proof for evolution? simple...there is none..

hey uh Josh, I would have to disagree with you on the species part. we do observe that there are different species that can still bring forth, but they are the same kind.

the term species and kind, often get confused. there are many different species, but certain species belong to certain kinds and different kinds are not interfertil, you cant breed a dog with a cat nor a human with a chimp they are different kinds. dogs, wolves and foxes are different species, but they are the same kind. the horse and the zebra are different species, but they are the same kind.

the bible says that they will bring forth after their kind. well thats all we observe, that proves that verse is correct.

Originally posted by Joshm2u
how do u test evolution then??????????? it cant be tested. there are 5 types, but the type i am curious how u would test is macro evoltion. micro-evoltuion has been observed, but macro has not. you cant create new speices. there can be variations amoung species. but where is teh proof for evolution? simple...there is none..

First, why would you answer your own question? Second, as you said yourself there are 5 types of Evolution. You say that Micro-Evolution has been observed, but Macro-Evolution has not. Just because one has and one hasn't doesn't conclued that that ALL don't exist, especially if one does.

I could literally take your logic and say that because I haven't observed God, I can conclued that he/she/it does not exist.

Originally posted by BlueApocalypse
I could literally take your logic and say that because I haven't observed God, I can conclued that he/she/it does not exist.

that is exactly why both are based on faith. evolution is a religion, its not science. how can you observe it, and test it? and where is the evidence for it?

I could literally take your logic and say that because I haven't observed God, I can conclued that he/she/it does not exist.

dude you are so smart, that is what we have been saying all along. we admit that ours is a religion, how about you admit yours is too.


EC

Hey can I just throw in proof of evolution,
this is really good,
I bet you cant guess,
NO? you dont know what it is,
Its called the fossil record from my understanding it is an extreamly good proof of evolution.

Its called the fossil record from my understanding it is an extreamly good proof of evolution.

Fossils cant possibly count for evolution. you know why?
you cant prove those bones had any kids, and you sure cant prove that those bones had different kids. and just because a human gets burried a few layers above a hamster does not mean that hamsters turned into humans over billions of years. there is no fossil record. the layers do not represent different ages. polystrate fossils such as trees have been found petrified standing up connecting many layers. some trees have been found upsidedown connecting many rock layers, how does that happen over millions of years? it cant. there is no fossil record.

EC


EC

Evolution Crusher have you ever read a book on evolution. HOw everything is in an order adn no there is no direct proof things came from each other but the fact they are all in order some things very simular to things before.
Then evolution itself has been witnessed if only on the micro scale through dogs and cats.
Lastly how many T-rex skeletons have been buried with dogs, cats or humans in their ribcages.
Oh really what a surprise.

you know what, I noticed that the title of this thread is "before the big bang"
I have a question.

what was before the big bang?


EC

'What was before the big bang'
I know this answer destroys the point of the thread but no one really knows, its like asking someone what was in the news paper teh day before you were born but your not allowed to do any research or anything you just cant know, O.K bad example but I couldnt thkn of a better one.

my question would be for anyone on this thread who would like to answer.

what was before the big bang? with a big bang there would be no evolution. so if the big bang theory is ever proven wrong here, then evolution might as well be thrown out the window.

even those who are for the big bang theory, lets have a logical brainstorm here real quick. think about it. let me share with you what this gjy names TOM told me.

[[[13.7 billion years ago, the entirety of our universe was compressed into
the confines of an atomic nucleus. Known as a singularity, this is the
moment before creation when space and time did not exist. According to the prevailing cosmological models that explain our universe, an ineffable
explosion, trillions of degrees in temperature on any measurement scale,
that was infinitely dense, created not only fundamental subatomic particles
and thus matter and energy but space and time itself. Cosmology theorists
combined with the observations of their astronomy colleagues have been able to reconstruct the primordial chronology of events known as the big bang.]]]

notice that it said that time and space did not exist. well if time and space did not exist, then matter cannot exist as well. how do you get space from non-space?

so that blows the entire theory away. if time and space do not exist, neither can matter. so if all three cannot exist, then the universe has nothing to cause it to expand. how can nothingness expand? what would drive it outward? what did drive nothingness outward? what started the big bang?

there are two theories about what started the BB. some people say that it was an explosion, and others say that it was just an expansion. both theories have flaws.

the BB never happened.

EC

Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
my question would be for anyone on this thread who would like to answer.

how do you get space from non-space?
EC

Well, I'd say that this is exactly what you say happened when God created the universe. The big bang looks a lot like "Let there be light" to me.

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Josh Your wrong, macro evolutionhas been observed. During the industrial revolution in England moths that were white became black to blend with soot covered buildings thus harder to see by predators. So lets say that manhy of these tiny changes happened to a creature ud end up with a new animal entirely.

ONe strain of the big bang theory says that beore the big bang was the big crunch. Which inturn had a big bang before it and so forth.

I would say that there were probably other big bangs before the one that they are currently tracking.

Can anybody tell me what the difference would be between a big bang and a super sized supernova?

MageKMaer

Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
you know what, I noticed that the title of this thread is "before the big bang"
I have a question.

what was before the big bang?


EC

It all depends on your definition of things. Faith doesn't make you blind. The definition of faith is to believe in something without proof. We all do that to some degree or another.

Science will always try to test things. It won't always be successful at it. And there is a lot of science that is based upon assumption without proof.

If you are a pagan and you worship the Sun as your god, there is a good chance you can test the existance of your God. If you want to test whether or not the Sun cares about you, that might be hard. If you want to test whether or not the Sun is passionate, you might have an easier time, as it is hot and intense. Either that or it is pissed off.

MageKMaer

Originally posted by Shenroon
THe thing about having faith makes you blind,
Science will always test things (A lot of people use the phrase disprove)
the thing is god is never up to the test.